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Need help to do melodies!
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cr1st0
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Posted : Mar 10, 2006 23:07
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Hi all,
Can someone help in constrution of melodies, and some needed music culture?
If someone know some good manual or something put here, i wanna do long melodies for nice feelings 
Thanks all.
Good productions all. |
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orange
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 00:04
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 02:55
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start with making one beat melodies, then expand on them by adding notes between... like a half beat somewhere.. and then expend more till you got a nice one...
(bar 1) beat 1 = A. beat 2=C. Beat 3=E.
Half beat=F. Beat 4=E
also here for next bar you can add like
(bar 2)Beat 1=C, Half beat=D
And then you can transpose it a tone lower
beat 1 = G. beat 2=B. Beat 3=D.
Half beat=E. Beat 4=D
and add G-A for bar 2 on beat 1=G
half beat=A
you can expand this and make a more complex melody... just experiment
one the princips of what i told you i made a little melody, its no special, just a simple one. no Eq or comp, a tiny bit of reverb and delay... its albino and nordrack.
i think tempo and timbre is important parts for good melody, some sounds and some melodies dont sound good together, so try the melody with different instruments.
http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=37I9POQUF082A182VOEPNTPMGR
if you want the midi i can send you if it is of any interest... this might sound a little stiff and muffeld, but i just did it on some minutes, no fine details has been made.. |
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0v3rd0s3d
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 03:20
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if u could post it here, it would be nice 
one of my problems is that i can't put into the midi track / pianno roll whats going on my mind ... :s
stay nice
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robomarket
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 04:17
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Take one sound and make several variations from it. Make longer and shorter samples of the same sound, play around with the reverb, delay and pitch. This should give you slight variance between the sounds. Than do some work in the piano roll and make a melody. When it flows nicely-it's OK |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 07:08
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On 2006-03-11 03:20, 0v3rd0s3d wrote:
if u could post it here, it would be nice
one of my problems is that i can't put into the midi track / pianno roll whats going on my mind ... :s
stay nice
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Hey m8! i know what you mean, but its not strange, cause programming is often harder, cause you need to know every detail of the instrument and all other basic expression parameters....
a melody can be very rich of details, programming midi melodies is a harder work than playing them on midi keyboard, and sometimes even record a real instrument to get the best expression possible..
if you can put words and feelings on what you think, you can get it out on the keyboard.. it takes alot of practise.
By jamming you can get longer melodies.
setting up counter melodies and play along to them, adding variation and timing and soon you have lots of coherent parts, with a good flow.. though before you learn melody you got to learn rhythm.
the lousy melody i did is far from expressed through heart and soul, its generated by the mouse, its too fast and the timing and feeling is not there. It really sounds machine made.
for a good melody you need lots of parts,
it can be easy and just travle in one octave, or it can have a wide span and play around with low - mid - and high tones.
Things that matters for emotion and timbre is
how hard you strike those tones and if you stress or play slower, if you sustain some tones and make others shorter,
lots of patterns can be made if one pays attention to the details of the instrument. you can play around so much with a tone that even a simple melody becomes interesting and alive.
http://www.mlnet.org/resources/showcases/lme.html
this might also give some ideas
http://robinmay.co.uk/strumming.htm
a synth has lots of expression possibilities,
in the melody i made, it had none.
so the point i want to make is that, use a midi keyboard and use the parameters to make the melody interesting, play with high and low sounds, you can get very nice tensions that way..
i will post you a midi file, but not of this lousy one, ill make a new one which is longer
and made with keyboard and with more attention to detail and tension and transition, so you can hear the difference. the difference expression will give.
Boom
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 07:32
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cytopia
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I think its easier to write melodies when there is some delay added to the signal. For the rest, clear your mind and listen to the notes that sound good and what notes sound good following the last until you have some combinations that sound good, you can then play those in live as the track plays.
You then have a midi plot of the melody, loop it and play, and see content, the notes you played in are probably not exactly on the lines of the grid, yo can quantize and edit the notes so they fit the grid, this often sounds better (not always) and you can edit the melody by changing lengths of notes or positions....
Once you have a basic melody, you can then add effects like a midi gate, or a plugin like camal space or camal phat can add a combination of effects, or to several group channels with effects, whatever you want really...
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NikC
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 13:03
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Surely 'learning' how to write a melody is abit of an abstract concept though... at least for me it is...
I just sit down and write down what I hear in my head, or what sounds good... you don't even need to know notation to do that...
Don't mean to disturb the post, but... just find it odd.
Reason being also that there are no set rules to melody either - "long melodies for nice feelings" are only a product of what you as a composer find makes you feel nice...
Putting fx on a melody can make it sound better, but it's best to create the melody first and then add fx so you have something real to work with...
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NikC
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 13:27
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Sorry, that was abit of an unecessary post... lots of good info here, particularly from New Era Scientist.
I think this is very well said:
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if you can put words and feelings on what you think, you can get it out on the keyboard
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www.myspace.com/beat_nik |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 17:25
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On 2006-03-11 13:03, NikC wrote:
Surely 'learning' how to write a melody is abit of an abstract concept though... at least for me it is...
I just sit down and write down what I hear in my head, or what sounds good... you don't even need to know notation to do that...
Don't mean to disturb the post, but... just find it odd.
Reason being also that there are no set rules to melody either - "long melodies for nice feelings" are only a product of what you as a composer find makes you feel nice...
Putting fx on a melody can make it sound better, but it's best to create the melody first and then add fx so you have something real to work with...
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totaly agree...
i think best advice is to learn as much as possible about sounds and tone systems.
the secret of patterns..
a good understanding would probably be "the cycles of fifths"
http://www.petethomas.co.uk/jazz-cycle-of-5ths.html
Also i can recommend a little mini metalophone/xylophone(chromatic)for practise of tones..
very handy and often the tones are labeld with the tone name, and you can cycle through the tones with ease...
http://www.teoria.com/reference/intervals/03.htm |
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e-motion
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 17:34
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 18:46
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0v3rd0s3d
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 23:31
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eheh i've read somethings, but it is as new era said, i can do what i think in keyboard, but can't do it trough the mouse :s
gotta try harder
btw, thanks for the links
http://myspace.com/overthedose |
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Ronaron303
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Posted : Mar 12, 2006 00:43
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New Era Scientist , good stuff 
i just wanted to mention here that '' the cycle of fifth'' ,its very powerfull thing! |
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