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Need help in choosing 1 Softynth to learn
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 01:48
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do you hear how the sound is slamming? the sound is really tight and focused and punchy ,i find just right to sit well in a modern sounding mix wihtout much effort..even dry these sound good too .
es2 can have similar punch /caractere too but not as clean
check their masssive and virus soundset you will instanely hear the difference,dcam eat both for breakfast for punch and clarity both massive and virus sound kind of muddy too me that will need more fixing /equing to get a really clear modern mix if one is after that sound |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 06:33
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On 2013-01-26 01:48, PoM wrote:
do you hear how the sound is slamming? the sound is really tight and focused and punchy ,i find just right to sit well in a modern sounding mix wihtout much effort..even dry these sound good too .
es2 can have similar punch /caractere too but not as clean
check their masssive and virus soundset you will instanely hear the difference,dcam eat both for breakfast for punch and clarity both massive and virus sound kind of muddy too me that will need more fixing /equing to get a really clear modern mix if one is after that sound
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Dunno about that, the Virus is very easy to fit in a mix...I just high pass leads at around 150hz and maybe gently drop some 500hz and that is it. I might add some top end at around 12k for some more brightness, but not always. Bare in mind that I don't use Access presets (which have loads of FX on and are hard to fit in a mix), I make my own sounds with no FX from the Virus. Just the raw sound.
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Upavas
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 10:54
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If you really want to go hardware save your $ until you can go for a Moog, as far as your two soft synths are concerned, I'd take Zebra!
I love Zebra, the only effect that sucks on Zebra is ring mod, and since ring mod sucks on every soft synth, the least bad imo being Omnisphere,(which isn't all that much better), go for Zebra! It is an extremely powerful soft synth and I promise you that it will take a long time until you use 100% of the beast! It's great and one of my two workhorses!
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 14:44
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On 2013-01-26 06:33, Nectarios wrote:
Dunno about that, the Virus is very easy to fit in a mix...
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but it don't really cut , it s kind of laid back to me from what i remember.
what i find muddy for some it s warmth , but i find for a really well balanced punchy clean mix it s more a problem to have low mid bump and not much highs after it depend the sound after.. for some commercial stuff that sound very modern in dance music tend to be bright punchy and clean with no muddiness and for this sound i think synths like dcam are more easier / suited to get a clear punchy mix. |
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WhySoLazy?
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 15:21
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Diversion is on Sale again :
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=371837
Have some time to test the demo , until now I really like it's sound , and with the sale price it's very tempting .
Any one have here Diversion full and can recommend it ?
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 15:21
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On 2013-01-26 14:44, PoM wrote:
for some commercial stuff that sound very modern in dance music tend to be bright punchy and clean with no muddiness and for this sound i think synths like dcam are more easier / suited to get a clear punchy mix.
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not that i really like that sound.. it depend the style of music, sound one is after...i like a lot massive, virus too.. but if after real punch and clean sound , it will be more hassle ( maybe compression to get it more slaming and cutting ,eq for clean sound in the mix ...) to me it s no suprise synth like massive and zebra come wiht built in eq.. |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 15:30
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On 2013-01-26 15:21, WhySoLazy? wrote:
Diversion is on Sale again :
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=371837
Have some time to test the demo , until now I really like it's sound , and with the sale price it's very tempting .
Any one have here Diversion full and can recommend it ?
Thanks
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wow cool it s finnaly available on osx , i was waiting to really try this synth.. |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 16:26
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tried it briefly ,the few leads i made i find it sounded similar caractere to logic es2 |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 16:52
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sidra
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 22:41
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I think you should go back and look at your Komplete stuff again. To say that there is nothing in Komplete that is good to use in psytrance is Kompletely wrong. You just need to spend more time learning your synths. There isn't one synth that is going to be better for a certain style of music, every synth is good for every kind of music, it's up to you to do the rest. I find Massive one of the easiest, most straight forward synths to use, extremely versatile and user friendly.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 27, 2013 07:07
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On 2013-01-26 06:33, Nectarios wrote:
Dunno about that, the Virus is very easy to fit in a mix...
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but it don't really cut , it s kind of laid back to me from what i remember.
what i find muddy for some it s warmth , but i find for a really well balanced punchy clean mix it s more a problem to have low mid bump and not much highs after it depend the sound after.. for some commercial stuff that sound very modern in dance music tend to be bright punchy and clean with no muddiness and for this sound i think synths like dcam are more easier / suited to get a clear punchy mix.
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Well you better stay away from the Phatty then 
Its got bucket loads of low end and low mid and it is not bright sounding at all and takes a lot more effort to make it sit into a mix.
Nord Lead cuts through a mix like a knife through warm butter, right after that is the Virus when its FX are turned off and its not some factory preset you are playing.
best soft synth for me, is still ES2. It sits in a mix so easily, has a great (digital) sound. I used it again for some synth parts since the power in Goa is so unstable in the afternoon especially, and I have no power to run my Virus C to make patches around that time.
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 27, 2013 11:53
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On 2013-01-26 22:41, sidra wrote:
I think you should go back and look at your Komplete stuff again. To say that there is nothing in Komplete that is good to use in psytrance is Kompletely wrong. You just need to spend more time learning your synths. There isn't one synth that is going to be better for a certain style of music, every synth is good for every kind of music, it's up to you to do the rest. I find Massive one of the easiest, most straight forward synths to use, extremely versatile and user friendly.
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ni komplete is more than any psytrance producer in 90's could dream! kontakt + massive is enough to make a groundbreaking ass shaking psytrance. if you can't do what you want with komplete7 then even 100 vsti like sylenth not help you.
it can sounds like diss but it's just simple truth. you have more than you need to make psytrance right now. it's better to master what you get and practise skill than to buy another vst, then another and another...
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 27, 2013 17:19
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On 2013-01-27 07:07, Nectarios wrote:
Well you better stay away from the Phatty then
Its got bucket loads of low end and low mid and it is not bright sounding at all and takes a lot more effort to make it sit into a mix.
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all depend for what sound after, the type of mix, for brighter thiner sounds , using lot of moog would probably not be my first choice but i enjoy a lot the moog sound. |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 12:57
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PoM, what you're saying about the Virus reads like a joke to me.
On topic now, Massive can do great bass. You just need to select "restart via gate" on the OSC window, to lock the phase, and then build your patch like you would on any other synth. It can also do all sorts of psy sounds you can dream off, it's got very unique modulation going on, the performer mode for the lfos, etc.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 17:40
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but it don't really cut , it s kind of laid back to me from what i remember.
what i find muddy for some it s warmth , but i find for a really well balanced punchy clean mix it s more a problem to have low mid bump and not much highs after it depend the sound after.. for some commercial stuff that sound very modern in dance music tend to be bright punchy and clean with no muddiness and for this sound i think synths like dcam are more easier / suited to get a clear punchy mix.
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you don't remember well. it's one thing to say that the virus has a darker tone, and that's related to its character. It's quite another to say that it produces cheesy sounds. It suits any style of music, it just depends on your programming skills, and the way things cut in a mix, has a lot to with a lot of things: if you leave space for it in a given region of the spectrum, and you compose and program your sounds right, how come does it not cut? You think the Nord Lead doesn't need any sort of processing to sit right in a mix, is that it? Think again. The Nord has a bit more byte on the highs, and so does Waldorf (even more). But the cheese always comes from the producer, not the synth.
I think your quotes are totally misleading, and are only justified by your own preferences. Other people can find the Nords to sound sterile and plastic, many people do. To other people, it's their dream synth. Same with the Virus.
And the same goes for the software synths people have been talking here. Sylenth is a good one, has one of the best sounding filters in software - and the overdrive on it sounds very liquid, very suited for acid sounds and stuff with a touch of grit. Massive is another beast... Saying it doesn't cut in a modern mix. Ok, have you ever took the time to listen to what some dubstep people do with it? That's the definition for "in your face", floor shaking sounds, isn't it? It cuts, it makes the floor rumble, it even speaks. Again, it's down to how you program it. Also suited for psy bass, or squelchy sounds, or glitchy modulated madness of any sorts. A very unique software synth, if you ask me.
Back on topic, Diversion is a killer, has many options and some of them quite unique: you can select "random" as source, the same way you would on the virus, for example. Or modulate the amount of the FX, or just about anything. It's got many features on it and sounds very good to my ears. Same as Diva, for those that don't have analogue synths, that's as close as you get to an analogue sounding filter in software. Same for D16's Lush - a very good one to get started, to |
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