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PsychedelicStage
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Posted : Dec 9, 2015 18:08:08
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Hello Isratrancer
I need some help for my kick and bass... i need the feedback from another ears too!:)
For the first.
Bass -> Dune - Fabfilter eq - Fabfilter comp - a little bit Fabfilter Saturn -> Resample as audio and put it into the ableton drum rack in a 16th note cut to eliminate the sub at the kick.
Kick -> Bassizm - around 107 ms - try 200 ms too.. Fabfilter eq - Comp
I use the dune because it sounds a little bit rounder and warmer in the bass.
But my Problem is, that my kick + bass haven't enough pressure.. i need our help to find the problem.
I try a lot and i want to fix my problem... room acoustic is fixt and good enough... my measure is fine...
But i think it's to much energy in the sub.. because of this, i can't the kick + bass not loud enough like so many other artist..
When i cut the sub a little but more, the kick + bass sounds a little bit to cold and plastic..
I Use the dynaudio b15a to building my sounds...
My problem ist, i become it not loud enough and i need a little bit more punch at the kick and bass...
Pleas help me someone... and sorry for my bad english 
https://soundcloud.com/psychedelicstage/bassline-test/s-ZaWxT |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 9, 2015 19:08
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Hearing it just on a laptop without any additional speakers it sounds very good to me hehe. You got great monitors, maybe you could dip it somewhere in the mids or higher to get rid of your subjective, that plastic and cold association and leave the lows as they are? You could always insert an additional compressor to pump up the loudneess and/or seperate all other sounds with Lowcuts and shelves to leave the kick and bass frequency-territory with more own warmth, punch and defenition.
 https://soundcloud.com/shivagarden |
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PsychedelicStage
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Posted : Dec 9, 2015 19:30
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one of my problem is the loudness for the kick and bass alone... the volume in the preview is @ -0.2 without cutting the peaks. there is no more headroom without destroying the sound... and i mean destroy.. there is not enough space for a good limiting or clipping
i use a seperate comp for the kick and bass..
i think the source for the bass is a problem but i try a lot of variation for the envelope phase and so on.. |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Dec 9, 2015 22:45
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@PsychedelicStage
First of, if you're chain is exactly like you described it, I'd say that you need an EQ after the saturation/distortion stage. It's probably introducing a lot of harmonics. You should stick another EQ afterwards so as to control your sound fully.
Secondly, if your Kick is hitting as high as you say, then the explanation for lack of impact is right there! Aim for something like -10dBFS or so for the Kick. With the other sounds, when it gets denser, the whole mix is probably going to hit some dBs above that - and that's exactly why it's good practice to preserve some headroom from the get go.
Thirdly, you shouldn't worry about how strong it feels when you're making this combo. Just on how good it sounds, how well do the two sounds work together. No one has it as strong as in a mastered CD at that stage. So if that's what you're aiming for, I'm telling you it's a waste of time. Get it sounding good, get both sounds working good together and move on.
Lastly, don't obsess with how loud or powerful it sounds. Make it sound good. Let your own ideas flow. Take time to experiment, to get familiar with your tools, read, watch videos (good ones from trust worthy authors!). Whatever it is you do, realise soon that obsessing about a certain Kick and Bass combo, or loudness and power alone, will get you nowhere and it's a well known trap that most of us know all to well.
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PsychedelicStage
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Posted : Dec 9, 2015 23:13
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@frisbeehead
for the thirst, thank you for the feedback!
I know all of this too and the Eq comes after the satuartion
I use in my projects a good headroom around -6dbfs (peak).. this example was only for the preview and the try to limit and comp a little bit more for the loudness... i make some other production too for some rock bands and some other... i need a feedback to my production in the soundcloud link.. an idea what is wrong at this... some ideas where i can try to work.. |
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vipal
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Posted : Dec 11, 2015 22:51
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maybe try different vst for bass,
it sounds a bit like you choose a round bass sound by selecting dune and now want a punchy bassline
why not post a sample of what you are (kind of) after/reference bassline
fix at the source is best. big change in character by processing,in my experience, does not really work well.
think of bass as something hardly processed, only touched a bit with accentuating transients and/or adding some harmonic subs. maybe some distortion. unprocessed should almost sound like final.
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PsychedelicStage
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Posted : Dec 12, 2015 15:22
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for example, i like the punch at this bassline
https://soundcloud.com/itallive/ital-deeper
it's clear and give the sound a lot of drive
i know the bassline is deeper, then i dont want to make the same.
i try the sylenth for this too.. i think sylenth has the edgy sound but the sylenth sounds not so good - for me |
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PRO-Gram
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Posted : Feb 25, 2016 02:19
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Good way to learn, is take a pro track you really love and cut a small section with just kick and bass, now analyse their kick and then analyse their bass and try to see the frequency difference to yours, a lot of it down to eqing , boosting with small notches and cutting (mid range and highs particularly from the bass).
https://soundcloud.com/pro-gram-0 |
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vipal
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Posted : Feb 25, 2016 17:05
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