| Author
|
Native Instruments "MASSIVE"
|
bandarlog
Bandarlog
Started Topics :
44
Posts :
809
Posted : Sep 5, 2007 18:43
|
yeah Shamantrixx, what's up with the strict rules about efx? Internal efx, external efx, combinations and lots of them, not to mention routing excessively, then bouncing --> narrow eq and re-using as samples for breaks (for example) is just awesome! You should use FLstudio more often to let go of the 'rules' of efx more easily 
Btw: ontopic: I like the bitcrusher on massive and the reverb too for some sounds (it sounds more 'glued' to it than external reverbs+ you can route it easily to your performer envelope settings, try that with external efx 
  http://www.soundcloud.com/bandarlog
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/bandarlog-memoirs-of-the-moment |
|
|
|
shamantrixx
Started Topics :
7
Posts :
549
Posted : Sep 5, 2007 19:03
|
Quote:
|
On 2007-09-05 18:03, Colin OOOD wrote:
No, I can't imagine that. Some of the best sounds I have ever come up with have been the result of adding FX in an order that I would normally have thought of as insane. |
|
Fair enough. I think that you're missing the distinction between tracking instruments and effecting them, but that's just my point of view. If sound has anything that needs to be removed I find it extremely better to remove what needs to be removed before adding any effects.
That has nothing to do with following rules and applying effects in strict order, it's a matter of not processing that parts of the sound that you don't need in the end. By each further process it's harder and harder to remove details with precision. Adding chorus to wet reverb, sidechaining the delay feedback with feed and then compressing all that together etc is something completely different. Rules are made to be broken but certain things are simply useful and give better results.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
|
|
|
shamantrixx
Started Topics :
7
Posts :
549
Posted : Sep 5, 2007 19:09
|
Quote:
|
On 2007-09-05 18:43, bandarlog wrote:
...reverb too for some sounds (it sounds more 'glued' to it than external reverbs+ you can route it easily to your performer envelope settings, try that with external efx |
|
you simply use midi CC to control ANY parameter on ANY effect and instead of performer envelope use midi cc track, midi pan/lfo or route any step sequencer (like ERA) to control it step by step. Also xt energy has very nice envelopes you can draw to control ANYTHING so... there are countless ways to do that and much more than that. Not to mention compact solutions like Zebra 2, Karma FX, VAZ modular or Creamware modular.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
|
|
|
bandarlog
Bandarlog
Started Topics :
44
Posts :
809
Posted : Sep 5, 2007 21:38
|
Quote:
|
On 2007-09-05 19:09, shamantrixx wrote:
Quote:
|
On 2007-09-05 18:43, bandarlog wrote:
...reverb too for some sounds (it sounds more 'glued' to it than external reverbs+ you can route it easily to your performer envelope settings, try that with external efx |
|
you simply use midi CC to control ANY parameter on ANY effect and instead of performer envelope use midi cc track, midi pan/lfo or route any step sequencer (like ERA) to control it step by step. Also xt energy has very nice envelopes you can draw to control ANYTHING so... there are countless ways to do that and much more than that. Not to mention compact solutions like Zebra 2, Karma FX, VAZ modular or Creamware modular.
|
|
yeah sure you can set up any kind of combination of external efx. Still, it's easier and faster in Massive. If you make complex sounds with several lfo's, env's, stepsequencer/envelopes routed to several parameters within the grasp and flexibility of 1 (own made) preset on 1 vsti you don't want to go and load several external efx, envelopes with their own settings etc. There are so many possibilities of doing anything you like these days using plugins, parameters, envelopes etc that MY choice goes out to the best workflow, the fastest, most intuitive ways of working. I find those in toys like massive, FLstudio,Guitarrig etc. Haven't tried creamware modular or zebra2 though but via midi cc control and other external efx is too slow for me...
http://www.soundcloud.com/bandarlog
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/bandarlog-memoirs-of-the-moment |
|
|
|
PoM
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
162
Posts :
8087
Posted : Sep 6, 2007 00:22
|
|
i can t download on this site :Sorry, the free service is at full capacity... can you upload on a other one? |
|
|
|
yveusss
Started Topics :
7
Posts :
125
Posted : Sep 6, 2007 00:25
|
hello,
I love Massive's interface. I think that the modulation assignment is unique and very visual. The integration of the Fxs in the chain is great for glitchy sounds. It's a bit heavy on the cpu and not very "fat" but it can create amazing sounds. |
|
|
|
LiquidSpaceGermany
Liquid Space
Started Topics :
102
Posts :
175
Posted : Sep 6, 2007 02:28
|
|
somarobotics
Somarobotics
Started Topics :
8
Posts :
190
Posted : Sep 8, 2007 00:10
|
|
I like Massive a lot, been using it for a short time and results are impressive for me. I've made some atmos that sound very different and crisp, but also fucking love it for the bass line (try the preset "classic" and play with amp settings and filter). |
|
|
|
RenderingRebel
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
23
Posts :
293
Posted : Sep 8, 2007 07:06
|
If you dont like this synth i'd suggest you learn how to use it ^_^
One hella powerfull softsynth imho, the best discovery for me this year
Much better than the overrated preset synths like the Nexus etc..
SQL: http://www.myspace.com/sqlmusic
Coming up: Releases
Planned: make tracks |
|
|
|
Speakafreaka
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
18
Posts :
779
Posted : Sep 8, 2007 11:20
|
agreed, this is a very powerful synth indeed, and it sounds pretty damn phat to my ears - and I design synths!
True, a lot of the osc sounds are airy or metallic, but it does provide standard waveforms (which are very thick indeed) for more standard sounds - it is a bassline killer when it needs to be, and the filters are spot on too - the first NI instrument I've ever said that about.
Finally, the macro knobs are quite simply the best idea I've seen in a synth for years - much better then XY controllers. In fact, the modulation is so good on massive, I've copied large chunks of it for my own latest creation (if not the way it is applied).
It also has the best application of unison that I've seen, and one that anyone would struggleto create without using the same synth.
In short, the only two things not to like are a)oscilator sync (whoops, you really should have put that in NI, even if it was 'fake') and b) CPU usage, which when stretching over anything over four voices of polyphony becomes really, really extreme. Not that thats a complaint, really, as the sound quality is so damn good it more then justifies the processing outlay.
Take it from me, I know what I'm talking about, this is a top notch cracker of a synth. If you cannot get good sounds out of it, you are not programming it right - they are there to be had.
And for people who don't understand how the modulation works - it takes maybe tops 10 minutes of investigation to figure it out fully. Pull your finger out! Drag from the modulator its coloured number into the parameter box you want to modulate, and drop it, then click over the box and move the mouse up and down to affect the amount of modulation you are sending. Whats so complicated about that?
.
http://www.soundcloud.com/speakafreaka |
|
|
|
martyn
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
40
Posts :
389
Posted : Sep 8, 2007 13:00
|
Quote:
|
On 2007-09-05 11:20, subconsciousmind wrote:
[...]the song mentioned in my signature [...]
|
|
www.myspace.com/mentris |
|
|
|
shamantrixx
Started Topics :
7
Posts :
549
Posted : Sep 8, 2007 17:34
|
If there is one aspect of human behavior that I have a hard time understanding it is certainly this inability to accept different tastes as simply a matter of each person having a different likes and dislikes categories.
I could use that same language and state that if you find massive to have a good, solid sound than you have a hearing problem. If you can't hear the difference between single saw osc. from Karma and Massive that means that you need some ear training. But I can accept that not all of us have the same idea about how saw osc. should sound like and therefor we can end up preferring different tools.
Sometimes I feel like people need to discredit all differing viewpoints in order to feel more sure about their own ones. Otherwise I see no need for statements like:
"If you dont like this synth i'd suggest you learn how to use it ^_^"
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
|
|
|
Speakafreaka
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
18
Posts :
779
Posted : Sep 8, 2007 18:11
|
non sequitous.
Just because Karma has a subjectively better to your ears saw wave doesn't mean that the saw wave in massive is bad.
Quote:
|
Sometimes I feel like people need to discredit all differing viewpoints in order to feel more sure about their own ones. Otherwise I see no need for statements like:
|
|
hang on, you were the one who invaded a thread for people who do like Massive. If you don't like it, why are you even on the thread apart from to do exactly what you criticise others for doing to you?
And why should the rest of us have to descend into another 'Shamntrixx doesn't agree with the rest us and won't let it rest thread'? It is boring.
.
http://www.soundcloud.com/speakafreaka |
|
|
|
shamantrixx
Started Topics :
7
Posts :
549
Posted : Sep 8, 2007 18:29
|
Now you really need to read with paying more attention to meaning of the written words.
Yes, I agree... it's boring to argue with people who are so sure they know everything while in fact they have trouble understanding few simple sentences.
So let's make it end here.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
|
|
|
Speakafreaka
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
18
Posts :
779
Posted : Sep 8, 2007 18:36
|
No, I fully understand, you criticise Massive's routing structure by comparing it to your Karma's. Which is why your point about subjective comparison is ridiculous. You've been caught in the act sonny jim. If I said that the routing in Karma is just shit compared to synthmaker (which it is) does that make the routing in karma bad? No, of course not. Nor does it make Karma in itself bad.
That doesn't mean that the routing in Massive is bad now does it?
And still no word on exactly why you are in this thread.
My point is, that many of the points you raise are hypocritical. But then, that's hardly going to come as a revelation to anyone is it?
.
http://www.soundcloud.com/speakafreaka |
|
|
|
