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Enertopia
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 05:05
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Ok, so, I decided to install the Tiny Vista Ultimate, all I can say is that it works great!
All the strange issues people are having is when it comes to the 64bit version, but if you use the 32 bit version, it is a beast!
DirectX 10 makes all look so bright and clear.The system is extremely stable, a really strong OS, of course, in order to make it work right is to have a dual core and at least 2gig of ram.
So, if you have the option,, go for it, way more stable than XP and works super fine with Cubase SX3 for example.
I have it installed on my laptop, also, the Tiny Vista Ultimate lets you do updates.
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Seppa
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 09:00
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is the firewire enable on this one ? |
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Enertopia
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 14:52
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Dharma Lab
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 17:07
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Well, being the 32 bit version, the memory RAM memory limit is still in effect. Do you feel the programs are running better, or the OS is handling multi-core better?
I still haven't seen anything indicate that upgrading to 32 bit vista really has any performance benefits, only asthetic ones....
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 18:27
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AFAIK 32bit Vista consumes a lot more resources than XP even when you tweak services and graphics. With same cpu and ram cubase will run better on XP. Good XP set up should be stable unless you have cubase along with 6 new games, photoshop, 3dmax and some XP custom skin software on top of it.
but please... correct me if I'm wrong!
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 18:37
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 19:19
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 20:36
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When using Cubase 4.02 there is no performance difference between Vista 32 and Vista 64.
Interesting.
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I'm courious how that will be with the official 64bit version of cubase 4 (4.1)
Or how this test would look like with sonar.
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Dharma Lab
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 20:36
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Well, guess the only way to know now is to take the plunge. Thanks for the link.
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Psytracked
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 21:57
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I wrote this on a thread on a different forum. Its not specific to Vista but I think people reading this thread might find useful.
osX can offer more stability over Windows for the laymen as simply there are less variables to play with. However currently you have to use this sysytem on THEIR hardware. This comes at a high cost. The hardware they have released has always utilized the latest technologies but at a high cost. They have been clever with the aesthetics. This has been another Unique Selling Point but perhaps less now.
In the power stakes though PC's were catching so Apple had to make the big decision to dump Powercore in favour of Intel. They simply could not allow the chance of not retaining this position. Their market was very dependent upon this.
Windows is more volatile. Stability requires greater system knowledge by the end user. However a fundamental advantage is the lack of hardware restrictions. You can bulid your own PC choosing high quality components throughout and save a lot of money but not effort.
Apple previously had a good reputation for reliability of their hardware. Today this seems like a myth. In practice they are no more reliable in the hardware department. I base this assumption from the conversations I have had with many people on the music technology degree i am currently studying. All my fellow students have built a home project studio of some description with their student loan money. We have all argued the toss over which is better. Apple hardware just has not proved to be more reliable.
Apple the professional choice? why might that be? first in the power stakes? probably. And perhaps the marketing image of reliability. which i believe to be a false one. Pretty cases....lol. probably as well. But these cases are not designed for the recording studio environment. Stick one in that environment and you realize the fan noise has raised the ambience level of the room. So you spend several hundred pounds on studio furniture to house and silence the beast. You can build a PC which is already quiet and can select highly reputable quality components increasing probable hardware reliability.
As for Vista. I really hope producers are not using this yet. History of windows and music software going back to windows 95 suggests that there is a trickle down period. perhaps 18 months. It takes time for the larger DAW manufacturers to provide stability. Smaller software developers take longer. This is fundamentally an economical issue.
Commercial Studios will have the funds to go the apple route. Power = speed = turnover. The extra cost of Apple hardware is a smaller proportion of overall budget than compared to the budget of the home studio market.
Apple have proven themselves to be masters of marketing image. Just look at the ipod. But marketing isn't their only talent. The requisition of Emagic was a strategy similar to the ipod one and of course the operating system and hardware scenario. Logics popularity at that period offered them a new market. Product loyalty proved that many (enough) of this market would switch to Apple hardware. Politics and Business have for many years exploited the work of Freud for their own means, through the back doors of our minds. Apple IMO have demonstrated great awareness of this principle.
Apple switching to Intel was a gamble though. If it becomes possible to run osX reliably on other hardware they risk hardwares sales, this is of course where they make a lot of their money.
Imagine osX with cheaper yet better, music/studio specific hardware.!! A winning combination for the home studio market. What would Windows do? make a better product? maybe? If both these companies had to compete in all the same markets head to head, I think we would end up with better more stable operating systems. A real choice.
It's too late for me. I have already made my choices and slowly have built a reliable studio. For me it is a matter of avoiding temptation and rocking the boat. Ill be staying with my PC and Windows Xp and will be channeling my energy into music making. Consumerism for me has got in the way of this.
It would be nice though, if that future generations would have a better option which didn't put them at the mercy of the new operating system = DAW update = plugin update/replacement nonsense which we are currently trapped with. |
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Enertopia
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 06:21
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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 08:43
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Psytracked - too bad mac costs 3 times a pc.
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 13:51
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how about a dual boot... one with XP and other with OSX!!! Best of both worlds on a single PC 
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 14:02
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On 2007-09-28 19:19, Colin OOOD wrote:
So:
Out-of-the-box Vista outperforms tweaked XP on their system.
Tweaked Vista MASSIVELY outperforms tweaked XP on their system.
When using Cubase 4.02 there is no performance difference between Vista 32 and Vista 64.
Interesting.
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XP DOES NOT support 8 GB of RAM. 3 GB is the top limit for XP (can be tweaked for 4 GB) so any difference in tests is most likely to be due to 5 more GB of RAM available under Vista. When we take that into account Vista test is quite unimpressive.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Sep 29, 2007 14:14
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