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my little manifest regarding "Scene" discussions

MishaCore
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 29, 2007 06:21
i don't write here much but i read a lot, my name is tulch enjoy the hafira:

i can't help but to notice one thing...
why are we craving so much for the perfect formula?
"the perfect venue"!!!funktion 1, virginal location, ideal conceptual line ups, beautifull & Colourfull people(hehe this one i truly hate) etc etc etc.....
not that i won't enjoy everything mentioned above but you got my point i think we're overlooking some aspects a bit.
where will be now without all the flaws and mistakes.

sometimes these attempts to reach perfection make me wonder a bit.
we talk about crossing cultural boundries and being as one on the dancefloor, sharing this
great vibe of love and mutual respect. we are still stigmatized, racist and filled with
stereotypes ourselves (love to break em', love to point em' out). soking at the sight of
an arab with his untrendy clothes, laughing at the jesus looking wired guy and judging the MTV
kids behaviour while categorizing their drug use according to sub genres of music. it's ok to hate
and it's ok to love them just be honest with yourself and don't hide behind cliches.
wow we're trully the elite of society aren't we? "hmmm maybe if you'd bring some
old goa tunes back to stage, yaaa then it'll be killaaargh!! "

the commercializtion of trance was inevitable considering it's pontential
as a buisness/market. of course it seems to me it was better back in 1996!(gotta mention that i was 10
years old and trance wasn't my cup of chocolate milk back there)
it didn't have a dollar sign on everything regarding the scene back then,
it was something new, underground and intresting, had something esoteric
in it, spiced with a fresh prespective on drug use and it's positive aspects (a lot more
controversial back then).

music is the only thing that is still intresting in the scene in my opinion. i love it's evolution
and i love sub genres (everywhere), you got DIVERSITY and for me it's a gift. we adore experimenal stuff just as we all love to speak about how monotonic progressive and minimal can be.
love to diss almost every "Dark" act that is born.
laugh about the full on that just keeps getting more and more cheesy.
nod our heads while whispering "if only the production level in goa was better".
we love this shit!!! discussing endlessly about the one true path of the trance head.
for me i love to see metal heads, yapi coce heads, thugs, old school goa folks all in the mix. a diversity influenced by another diversity.

i guess there is just too many hypocrisy in the trance scene today. i can see why hypvocrisy has room in the adult life but i just hate seeing it happening when i go out to blow some steam and party
my ass off.
the bourgeoisie vibe that surrounds parties bothers me. lack of financial resources and logistical problems can cause mine and my friends's abscence from venues, yeah we have jobs but not all of us are hitech employees, and not all of us have our parents cars, not all of us have connections with the productions.
still we can party hard and even be a colourfull person in the eyes of someone (amazing huh?).
i know that organizing a party is hard work but sometimes it's just seems like it's too much (entrance prices, bar prices).
but hey who can i blame? it's the nature of our world, some lucky some are not.
lucky enough to attend this fashion show we like to call the trance scene every other weekend.
all i can say is that if i was a part of a production this will be my special little treat for the people, trying my ass off to give them equal opportunities.

you can't look away and act like it's your private little social event when it comes to a big party or a festival. looking for that tribal family feeling? take your friends, YOUR favroite music and drugs
do your own thing.

i wrote this down in the nicest form i could, i am not all that positive person and i am not always filled with good vibes so it took me a while means that no one should be offended.
faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : Oct 29, 2007 18:44
respect, no more words to add.           
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ori_k
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 29, 2007 19:27
i think a lot of ppl share that feeling like their child has been taken away from them, like its everyones child now uknow..

for me it was very disappointing(being one of the only students in my high school that used to go to nature parties at that time) to see some stupid punks and and even a few "frehas" from my school starting to pop up at parties(even small friend parties..!)

so naturally i was very furious. i recall myself thinking
"who needs trance parties if every frickin' ars from my school starts yapping about eskimo pool afterparty and moksha gathering..

yeah, i feel like something once very private and special i used to do with my dearest friends is now everyones game(seeing how nature parties' popularity has increased in the past few years)

and i don't find myself attending them anymore

cuz i know i sure as hell don't wanna have to share my once rather private and unique good time with some 17 year old hip-hop party producers that feel sooo maagnivim to be at a nature party

no thanx im out


liluY


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Posted : Oct 29, 2007 23:08
tulch/MishaCore, I totally agree.

Quote:

On 2007-10-29 19:27, ori_k wrote:
i think a lot of ppl share that feeling like their child has been taken away from them, like its everyones child now uknow..




You're right, alot of people share that feeling and it's what saddens me most about the current trance community. Back in 1996 I was in high school and listening to angry chick music so I don't know what the so called 'hay day of Israeli trance' was like, but I doubt people were as judgemental as they are today.

Personally, I get no kicks from feeling exclusive and secret and underground. I left that shallow crap back in the clubs and bars I stopped going to. I get my kicks from 140+ bpm. It just makes me really happy. That and being able to dance purely and primaly and freely in the the most beautiful thing on earth which is nature. That's all. Nothing there about the exclusive definition it gives me, on the contrary... I dunno, don't you think that the snobism and trance are kind of conflicting notions?

Maybe I'm just naive or something, but from my experience of trance, seems to me that one of the fundementals of trance spirit is freedom and family, the lack of self awareness.. it's why I love the parties so much, I always get the sense there that we all come to lose control and inhibition, be monkeys and be loved for it. Drop all the pretenses and labels and just be a family even though we're strangers. I do think that's a great deal of what it's all about.
More so - because I know what joy there is in these experiences and how good they make me feel, I tend to wish for everyone to feel that way too in their lives. I wish the experience was more accessible to more people, and that everyone would understand what it's about. It's an awsome thing in my eyes. What's wrong with everyone being able to feel it and enjoy it?

Yes, there are certain people I do not like to see at a party, but this is about the negative vibe and uncomfortable feeling they create rather than definitions and labels. And I count snobs in there right alongside the violent arsim. There is a difference between being negative and being a certain type.. hey, some of the friendliest and warm and happy people I ever met at parties or in general were "arsim", and they totally made the experience a better one; while the biggest mood killers to me have always been those just standing on the side, judging the scene.

So I would say, bring on the punks and arsim and frehot, IF they get into the spirit of things of course - cause then when a good track comes on we're all equal and they are nothing but the same monkey as me and I think that's ideal.

But then, maybe that's just my hippy babble.
I think alot of people may agree with the theory but practice otherwise (or to a certain extent, up to a certain crowd) and there's the hypocracy of 'the tribe'. Bums me out.          more burekas than famous
ori_k
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 30, 2007 00:20
from a philosophical point of view you are you are 100% right

everything u wrote here crosses my mind frequently

i find myself trying to hold on to as if it was some kind of mantra

but it just doesn't pass the reality test so to speak
(at least for me)

sure there is a lot more to trance then the suggestive enjoyment of going against the stream

what bugs me, is e-x-a-c-t-l-y those people-which, from my experience, enjoy going to nature parties and listening to trance music *solely* to feel cool and tell everyone about it, collecting weird clothing accessories and adopting a hippy manner of speech(boom alecha etc.) to further create the "alternative lifestyle" impression.

i sincerely respect anyone, be it an "ars" or "freha" who enjoys spending hisher time dancing to good music,bringing along good vibes, surrounded by nature..

just so long as they don't try all that hard to make an impression on others-because if they do-what differs the guy with the space tribe shirt and the weird hat from the guy at the fashion bar with the 1000$ dolce&gabbana jacket?

isn't trance all about freeing one from defining himself through an exeternal system of symbols?
connecting to your true inner self?

this music will forever be a part of me..
but i rather get my dosage in small,daily amounts at home then with a bunch of hypocrites focused on getting closer to the branja instead of enjoying all the beuty surrounding them..god knows i know a few too many

liluY


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Posted : Oct 30, 2007 18:42
Quote:

On 2007-10-30 00:20, ori_k wrote:

what bugs me, is e-x-a-c-t-l-y those people-which, from my experience, enjoy going to nature parties and listening to trance music *solely* to feel cool and tell everyone about it, collecting weird clothing accessories and adopting a hippy manner of speech(boom alecha etc.) to further create the "alternative lifestyle" impression.

i sincerely respect anyone, be it an "ars" or "freha" who enjoys spending hisher time dancing to good music,bringing along good vibes, surrounded by nature..

just so long as they don't try all that hard to make an impression on others-because if they do-what differs the guy with the space tribe shirt and the weird hat from the guy at the fashion bar with the 1000$ dolce&gabbana jacket?

isn't trance all about freeing one from defining himself through an exeternal system of symbols?
connecting to your true inner self?

this music will forever be a part of me..
but i rather get my dosage in small,daily amounts at home then with a bunch of hypocrites focused on getting closer to the branja instead of enjoying all the beuty surrounding them..god knows i know a few too many





hmmm. what can I tell ya, I don't see that much of them at the parties I usually go to... I can imagine if I went to a party and everyone or most of the crowd was giving out that vibe that would bother me, but I've never had that happen - for the most part, all I see are natural open people just there for the dig and not for the trance poza.
Maybe I just don't notice the ones you talk about, and maybe that's the key, just not to give a damn and enjoy what you came for... if it's just a few negatives, just filter them out.           more burekas than famous
ori_k
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Posted : Oct 30, 2007 20:48
amen to that
ocelot
ocelot

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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 02:38
people will always find something to feel snobby about until the day all insecurities have vanished...

ultimately its a sign of weakness to be snobby- so you can always feel sorry for those poor motherfuckers.

about 1996 i can assure you there were as many snobs then as ever... maybe more- because it was NEW and the people who created this culture felt like everyone else suddenly wanted to take it away from them...
away from the hidden beaches and into clubs and electronic music magazines...

artists have to eat- so people like me became interested in promoting to wider audiences...

organizers need to break even at least- if not make money- they need to eat also... so there you have it...

i think actually all this "small nature party with a bunch of friends" is total crap- or at least for anything other than a totally free gathering with friends djing for friends and sound and generator in the back of someones truck...

other than THAT- (free parties that are actually just about and for friends) i think we should have BIG fucking massive festivals and rely on the numbers of people to fund it...

if you look at house music- they get the NUMBERS of people AND they charge more for the door, the drinks, etc...!!!! its like they really get it all...
so i dont think trance prices are so fancy that way...

but some increased party size might help the organizers to make a better budget and charge each person less... not that they would unless there was competition but anyway i digress...

i will say one thing- im 33 now. when i was 21 i thought "parties should be free and for the general public lets get the whole world dancing, give them all acid for free etc..."
but then i almost got arrested by giving a moron some acid- for free.... doh.
also i think now that until RENT is free, until FOOD is free, why the fuck should partying be free?
its a leisure activity for first-world people who live in or come from comparably rich countries with industrialized economies and jobs.
how many times have i helped with the door at a party and seen people begging to get in free or for less, and then go buy twice the ticket price worth of drugs or beverages etc...
on the other hand there are goa-family- travellers who live in their van in the summer and india all fall, winter, spring... and there are whole caravans full of hippies with no money etc...

i guess put them to work as crew at the party...
make them spin fire nonstop
i dont know... think of SOMETHING...

if there were a way to make sure no one got turned away but also that people werent such cheap fuckers and actually paid...

those are my formless ramblings of the moment in response to this thread...

but it was clearly started by an idealistic young un
MishaCore
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 03:09
Hey Ocelot.
first of all of all whats un mean? just curious.

never meant to say that parties should be free, just expressing an idea, if people are so disgusted from big festivals and commercialization than they can do they're own thing (like you suggested - friendly gatherings.

i understand that artists have to eat and producers too, never doubt it just added my own reasons for abscence of people at festivals after this other thread...

guess i mixed up things a bit had a sudden rush of feelings needed to released duo to some other posts.

i myself never stumbled upon these entrance beggers, we always pay for the "full priced experience deal". i'd be ashamed showing up at the doors asking for discounts, i'd rather just sit home that day.

again didn't mean to sound hippie, was trying to point out that our scene is not that different from others, if you'd look on it's marketing and advertisment. some people need to face this fact even if it's crashes upon their acid - free of matter perspectives, think they'd be less disappointed each an every party all over again.
ocelot
ocelot

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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 07:54
Quote:

On 2007-11-01 03:09, MishaCore wrote:
Hey Ocelot.
first of all of all whats un mean? just curious.

never meant to say that parties should be free, just expressing an idea, if people are so disgusted from big festivals and commercialization than they can do they're own thing (like you suggested - friendly gatherings.

i understand that artists have to eat and producers too, never doubt it just added my own reasons for abscence of people at festivals after this other thread...

guess i mixed up things a bit had a sudden rush of feelings needed to released duo to some other posts.

i myself never stumbled upon these entrance beggers, we always pay for the "full priced experience deal". i'd be ashamed showing up at the doors asking for discounts, i'd rather just sit home that day.

again didn't mean to sound hippie, was trying to point out that our scene is not that different from others, if you'd look on it's marketing and advertisment. some people need to face this fact even if it's crashes upon their acid - free of matter perspectives, think they'd be less disappointed each an every party all over again.




good point.
i was just bitching and lecturing as i am fond of doing...

i think UN means united nations... but its also a prefix for a word when you mean the opposite- like UNtie vs tie...


and i think you are completely correct that despite our overt hippie ideals, this scene is like any other scene - fraught with human politics and bullshit...

however- community is created. even accidentally! and for this i wont throw the trance scene away.
in our world of industrial disease and lonely people, COMMUNITY brings us back to our tribal roots, our village roots, and even the roots people in our grandparents generation had with clubs and other social organizations... ok so we have this scene...
what can we do with it?
interesting...
play with it and find out
MishaCore
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 17:21
haa we all like to bitch...no harm in a small dose!

Peace man
anOM
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 22:32
good point mate!!           Free your mind...
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