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Axis Mundi
Axis Mundi
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Posted : May 16, 2009 11:19:47
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I was just wondering who out there has experimented much with implying mathematics into their production. Things like tempo change according to certain mathematical conditions, or use of alternate timings (for example, most trance is written in 4/4, however it is plausible to write using timings such as 3/4, 5/4, 7/4 or others). Or perhaps irregular division of the classic 8-bar (32-beat) measure. Such as, for example, 7-5-7-5-8, repeating. I'd be interested to hear what others have done to experiment with this and how it worked out for them.
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realtime
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Posted : May 16, 2009 11:23
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i always tend to put an odd amount of percussive sounds on an even amount of kick-bass.
don't know if there's any formula behind that ...
but i think 3 and 4 are magic numbers when it's about psy.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : May 16, 2009 12:03
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I agree. 3 and 4 are special numbers anyway to me, and psytrance is a great medium to express that in ways that people are eager to percieve.
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Seamoon
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Posted : May 16, 2009 12:42
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Gaiana
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Posted : May 16, 2009 13:40
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Deviating too much from a 4/4 base structure will seriously mess with DJ's heads 
Allthough, arrangement-wise, as long as it comes back to a multiple of 4/4 its working quite well i think.
As for experiments, Ubar tmar's "Macrometasomakosmos" album comes to mind.
quoted from discogs:
"The arrangement/rhythm of musical elements on this CD is based on Penrose tiles (aperiodic tiling). It is broken into tracks all either 34 or 55 seconds long, for a total of 89 tracks (that is, 55 tracks plus 34 tracks), in accordance with the Golden Mean.
34, 55, 89 are successive terms in the Fibonacci Series - a sequence of numbers in which each term is the sum of the two previous terms. As the terms grow larger and larger the ratio of a term and its immediate predecessor approaches the Golden Mean, which is (1+√5)/2 or approximately 1.618."
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supergroover
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Posted : May 16, 2009 14:29
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I know Bassid wrote some tracks in 3/4. It is quite funky and has a different feel to it. check out bassid.com Not sure which tracks though by heart. |
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Ascension
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Posted : May 16, 2009 20:54
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vegetal
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Posted : May 16, 2009 21:05
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realtime
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Posted : May 16, 2009 21:37
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sometimes i minded about kind of abstraction layer ...
to decode words to numbers, which may
represent steps of perc or pitch of leads.
so the meaning of the words creates the sound.
need kabbalist midi plugin, please 
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realtime
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Posted : May 16, 2009 21:43
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Freeflow
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Posted : May 16, 2009 22:37
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On 2009-05-16 21:43, realtime wrote:
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On 2009-05-16 20:54, Ascension wrote:
It would be interesting to see something written in 6/8 time.
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listen to miraculix ...
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which tracks?
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Upavas
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Posted : May 17, 2009 02:31
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realtime
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Posted : May 17, 2009 11:15
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braininavat
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Posted : May 17, 2009 16:24
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alot of shpongle tracks venture into odd time..to me the best thing too is that it sounds natural and not "hey look, this track is not in 4/4"..
While I think art inspired by mathematics is pretty cool this is probly best left to graphics and higher level geometry..music is kind of too simplistic to represent much higher level math.
I would love to hear more psytrance in odd time though..If you take 2 bars in 7/4 and lay down a kick/bass 16th line, you can get a familiar base line then throw the odd time stuff on top of it. The only problem is you lose the 16 and 32 bar changes, drop outs what not that we have all kind of come to expect and the track doesn't seem to flow properly. Maybe someone can figure out how to do this.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : May 18, 2009 01:10
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You're absolutely right about Shpongle, and one other reason this works so well in their music regarding the odd timings is because the places where you hear this in their music and why it seems so natural are founded by broken beats.
When you use a regular kick/bass alternation such as in standard psytrance formulae, it's easy for your brain to tell that something is "off" when there is an odd timing. However when you use broken beats instead, your brain has more trouble latching onto the more complex pattern, thus it doesn't "expect" anything beyond the next couple of beats in the pattern as opposed to automatically counting off T-32. If you leave a large enough space between the beats while still keeping the breakbeat pattern contiguous, you can "trick" the brain into a much shorter span of expectation.
That's my opinion, anyway. It's a very neat trick indeed.
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