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Top-down
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Posted : Feb 1, 2004 01:09
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Someone told me there are scales that could be played together without producing disharmony, well that Someone wasn't able to remember the keys , can you help me with this ?
I have some basics, so something like "Amin+Cmin" will do.
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nick
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Posted : Feb 1, 2004 03:49
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A scale is a set of seven pitches. Is this what you are talking about, or are you talking about chords?
Harmony occurs when two or more tones are sounded simultaneously. You can try for yourself; play two notes. Does it sound harmonious, or disharmonious? Did these two notes belong to the same scale? Could they belong to many scales?
Try taking one note of a scale. Let's say, the note C, from the C major scale. Try playing this note against some of the other notes of the C major scale (hint: C D E F G A B). Which combinations sound harmonious?
Tonal chords are often built in thirds. Post-tonal chords can be built by any combination of intervals. Some non-tonal chords I find most harmonious are stacking perfect fourths and stacking perfect fifths.
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organicparadox
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Posted : Feb 1, 2004 11:41
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thanks nick, very concise
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Feb 1, 2004 12:48
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whats`s wrong with disharmony?
disosance creates tension in the music which leads forward till it solve ( usually at the 1st tone of the but sometime at the 5th or 6th.)
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parapsyched
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Posted : Feb 1, 2004 15:13
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your all about disharmony aren`t you billy?
you kakafoniac maniac...... 
and you`re right.... in order for the harmony to sound even more powerfull you should use disharmonuy to make contrasts... and intensify the harmony...
if u dig deep enough u just might reach the sky...
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nick
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Posted : Feb 1, 2004 20:03
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There is nothing "wrong" with disharmony as you call it. Consonance and dissonance are entirely subjective terms.
My answer was about consonnant harmony because Top-Down's question was about consonnant harmony.
Now if we want to talk about dissonance and the tension between tension and release, that is another (related) question. I'm not sure how relevant it is to trance music the way the genre stands now. Harmony in psytrance is usually perfectly static, sitting on one chord (or note even) for the whole while. Even when it isn't, as when Infected Mushroom explored chromatic harmony a bit in "Classical Mushroom", all voices were perfectly consonnant within each chord. It was more like "Baroque Organ Choral Prelude Mushroom". But now I digress.
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Top-down
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Posted : Feb 4, 2004 03:36
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You are right, those are chords I was talking about, and - no, I don't have nothing against disharmony, it just seems simplier to lern creating it when you can create harmony (or may be I am wrong).
O.K, back to work - what chords do sound harmonious played together ?
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Feb 4, 2004 11:26
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playing 2 chords together is too complex for trance, but if you insist: d minor is D,F & A and f major is F,A, & C. playing them together will sound good because its the chord D minor 7. a lot of chords shared the same notes and they will sound better together. I think trance is not about harmony but about COLORS. 4 or 5 notes played together or one by one will give a certin kind of color/atmosphere in oppose to the bass line which plays the 1st note of the scale.
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Feb 4, 2004 12:23
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on topic of cords,
if you have Just Temperament scale instead of Equal Temperament (most synths are equal temperament) then you can play a few >perfect< chords on the keyboard.
these chords are realy perfect, they have a mathematically simple ratio to the root noten (like 3/4 or 3/2 .
they sound sweeeeet.. if you have a synth that can do just temperament then try it.,
harmony is not subjective, its just that we can learn to enjoy disharmony.
but there is certainly something to say for harmony 
this is also how the original 'piano' scale is intended.
the problem with this scale is that you cannot play in all rootnotes .
with equal temperament you can play on all rootnotes but all chords will have a certain disharmony built in.
was this what you looked for?
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Posted : Feb 5, 2004 05:12
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Thanks, Billy, it looks very confusing, I guess I'll just leave it for a while. Colors it will be !
It is just hard not to use tools, knowing they exsist, and do their job in other janres.
I miss that time (two years ago) when f.l.s "piano roll" looked "pitches" and not tones and semitones, pure anarchy, rulled by intuition and not formulas...
P.S. "Temperament - Equal Temperament " is realy more then i'll ever understand, but nice to know somebody knows better.
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