*Music Theory*

well, i guess then you have rather different skills than i do ). i learned to play Bach or any other composer only with the score. without score i am lost.

well, we are talking about the most complicated and genious composers, i am not a fan of simple music melodies. and honestly, if i listen to a trance track ( and really believe me, i dont listen to dark only) with all those extremely fast and complicated tunes following one another, i could never play it after that, just improvising. never. it is too complicated. too much paths at once. too fast. too much variety. well i did it better in the times of the arpegiators actually, but anyway, no, not even slightly near.....whereas with the score, i can imagine that i can play it faster than only by hearing.

i remember as i was 5 they brought me to a fat awful music teacher with a fat stomache and long beard and this monster told me that i will spend the next year improvising. i will have to put my fingers on the black and white keys as often as i will and whereever i will till i am satisfied. it was the most awful year in my life. 4 hours a week. no no thanks. pls give me the precious score:)actually after 15 years of trance we could start to collect the music theory of trance already dont you think?

On 2009-01-23 19:36, -aeon- wrote:
i feel like i'm merely repeating mubali, but...

only a tiny part of the song - let's say 5% - comes from the midi 'score'. everything else cannot be notated. if you examined the 'score' of most psytracks you would just see lots of repeated notes, the same pitch, the same octave, even the same length.

95% of the work is about taking the recorded sound and stretching, mangling, splitting, sticking, repitching, recombining, destroying, rebuilding, reinterpreting it.

an example for you: when i write a track i start with a nice atmospheric sound to get inspired, then kick bass. then i write maybe 1 or 2 bars of midi ('score'). this could be a very, very simple pattern - maybe just alternating notes one octave apart. sometimes it's just one long note, a breve at middle C!

i then use that pattern to play many different sounds on my synth. this is the equivalent of writing a bar of music for the cello, then giving it to every other member of a symphony orchestra and asking them to play it differently. out of hundreds of different sounds i might record 6. and of those six, i will change parameters which fundamentally alter the sound of the notes themselves.

i then take those 6 recordings (which are now AUDIO and are not notated) and chop them up, reverse them, apply FX, repitch etc... these are processes that cannot be notated but, again, radically alter the sound. they might end up forming 10 different channels of audio, everything from low spacey drones to sharp chopped-up glitches.

i now probably have a good few minutes of a psychedelic trance track.

but if i were to send you the score, all you would see is: 1 or 2 bars of alternating notes one octave apart. or 1 long note, a breve at middle C. this will not help you to make the music you love!

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well, i guess then you have rather different skills than i do ). i learned to play Bach or any other composer only with the score. without score i am lost.

but when you have read the score, you play by heart - yes? by memory? because this is part of classical training... we do not read the score for a piece we know. we play by heart, by ear, by feel... we emphasise the parts we want, we bring our own personality to the performance. this is why we pay to see a musician perform, instead of just playing the Bach piece back with midi on a synthesiser.

and the crucial thing to remember is that all that extra expression, all that personality, all that live performance... these are the things that no midi file can ever catch. equally, you cannot catch psytrance production from scores!

but do not despair. i think you just need to sit down with someone and watch them produce for a few hours, and work with them... i think it will be a small leap in understanding, with enormous results

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well, we are talking about the most complicated and genious composers, i am not a fan of simple music melodies. and honestly, if i listen to a trance track ( and really believe me, i dont listen to dark only) with all those extremely fast and complicated tunes following one another, i could never play it after that, just improvising. never. it is too complicated. too much paths at once. too fast. too much variety. well i did it better in the times of the arpegiators actually, but anyway, no, not even slightly near.....whereas with the score, i can imagine that i can play it faster than only by hearing.

i completely disagree. what instrument did you learn? i am a violinist and my fingers are fastest when i'm playing with no music in front of me! and i compose through improvisation... and notate afterwards, if at all. my favourite pieces i have not written down yet

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i remember as i was 5 they brought me to a fat awful music teacher with a fat stomache and long beard and this monster told me that i will spend the next year improvising. i will have to put my fingers on the black and white keys as often as i will and whereever i will till i am satisfied. it was the most awful year in my life. 4 hours a week. no no thanks. pls give me the precious score:)actually after 15 years of trance we could start to collect the music theory of trance already dont you think?

if you really do not like improvisation; if you really do not feel comfortable with many 'paths at once'; if you seek everything to be laid out before you; then maybe now is not the right time to start producing your own music. producing is like being the composer, conducter, performer, and critic of a symphony - all at once.

look... the music theory of trance is all around us it is right here in this forum!

what do you want, a discussion of how shifting modes during atonal solos leads to dissonant and unresolved cadences? that's not what this music is about! it might be easiest for you to understand right now, but computer music was new for all of us once. start a new journey, you'll enjoy it! forget about scores and get into sounds. trust me, it's worth it

i will happily send you a picture of one of my projects and i will send you midi files and some example sounds, if that's what you want.

but nothing will help like sitting down and getting started

On 2009-01-25 00:32, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
where is this project , i dont see it!!!!!!!!!! am i blind??? the site looks great though!!

On 2009-01-12 16:57, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
i dont know if you read the topic about the 432 hz tuning, probably not because it was too much off topic inside, but the principle is ..

Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
what can i do that none of you has done high university mathematics and studied music?

On 2009-01-26 15:57, illusions wrote:

... coming from someone with no apparent audio production background and possibly just a few piano classes from a fat man (how the size of your piano teacher even remotely figures into a Music Theory thread is beyond me), I find it hard to take you seriously.