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Nectarios
Martian Arts
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 13:16
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Really, just listen to the notes and play them back on the keyboard, make a midi file note by note. that is how I learned.
mind you a lot of melodies include a lot less notes than you really think since a lot of them are going into not so straight forward delay patterns which give accent and ghost notes, that would not be included in a score.
and by doing it on your own, you train your ear a lot.
I learned guitar and saxophone by listening, not by reading scores.
 
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 16:51
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moki
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 19:59
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On 2009-01-10 13:16, pipe&slippers wrote:
Really, just listen to the notes and play them back on the keyboard, make a midi file note by note. that is how I learned.
mind you a lot of melodies include a lot less notes than you really think since a lot of them are going into not so straight forward delay patterns which give accent and ghost notes, that would not be included in a score.
and by doing it on your own, you train your ear a lot.
I learned guitar and saxophone by listening, not by reading scores.
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well, i guess then you have rather different skills than i do  ). i learned to play Bach or any other composer only with the score. without score i am lost. with any composer. well, we are talking about the most complicated and genious composers, i am not a fan of simple music melodies. and honestly, if i listen to a trance track ( and really believe me, i dont listen to dark only) with all those extremely fast and complicated tunes following one another, i could never play it after that, just improvising. never. it is too complicated. too much paths at once. too fast. too much variety. well i did it better in the times of the arpegiators actually, but anyway, no, not even slightly near.....whereas with the score, i can imagine that i can play it faster than only by hearing.
i remember as i was 5 they brought me to a fat awful music teacher with a fat stomache and long beard and this monster told me that i will spend the next year improvising. i will have to put my fingers on the black and white keys as often as i will and whereever i will till i am satisfied. it was the most awful year in my life. 4 hours a week. no no thanks. pls give me the precious score:)actually after 15 years of trance we could start to collect the music theory of trance already dont you think? one day ppl will learn the subject trance in the universities.
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so midi does help out?
if so i can send u something
will be 100% for FL tho... let me know
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are you talking to me or the the pipe and slippers? for me midi helps out for sure. fl of course. this is what i have. only fl and logic right now. any midi helps. a lot. and i dont concentrate on dark psy only. i respect the styles, really, dark is only the latest thing, but before that we had 15 years of trance and party history......i am compatible with the other styles too even if the culture and its virtues at the festivals nowadays pisses me off
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mubali
Mubali
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 21:47
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Ok... so you can actually look up the score for things in Cubase, but you will need a midi track to enable the score. Once you have selected a midi channel, you click in the area that says scores and click on "Open Selection" (Ctrl+R).
As to getting scores from other artists, there are very few artists that work completely in midi. I end up converting everything to audio and a lot of effects, so it's a little difficult to actually translate what's happening in the track just with midi... for more melodic music, getting the midi files converted to score wouldn't be as difficult, but it wouldn't make as much of a difference as not really knowing what else would be going on with the sound. Sometimes the midi doesn't really explain how the sound gets to the way it is...
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moki
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 22:08
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oh btw i would die to have a midi from you too.
no seriously i would not die but it would be very special.
but the point is exactly that i want it for non melodic music. for the melodic music i can think of the score myselft. i wanna see the score development of the really weird stuff.
may be someone here knows a professional who works for cubase? to tell them about this nice financial opportunity to improve the software....
i dont know any. not sure. i have to look in the mushroom magazines. this is the most important and fundamental archiv of the trance community. imo. there you find 15 years of trance history. it is one of the most important archivs that i never forget if i move to a new city....they talked about software improvements once. have to see who wrote it
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mubali
Mubali
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 00:09
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You'd be very disappointed to see midi from me. My midi programming skills are lacking to be honest. The only midi approach I have is using syncopation using short and longer notes in with my sound design. I also don't save my midi.... I could send a couple of ideas that I use to you I guess.... but to be honest, in the stranger stuff, it's not about the midi, it's really the sound design.
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moki
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 02:10
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well i mean a raw file. whatever it is. would be great. more than great. doesnt have to be a midi. please excuse my bad terms in this field:)
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moki
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 02:12
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and btw i cannot be dissapointed to see a midi believe me.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 02:55
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Go make some music instead of reading midi files 
you just start out by making something then the other things make birth of new things...
i think this is just waste of time... only thing you can benefit is arrangement.. and that has alot to do with the track you work with, the feeling.. the energy... so you cant just copy arrangement and it will be good...
if you have FL and logic.. start making sounds, not look at midis..
thats my opinion
now go listen to
http://www.myspace.com/psychedelicdohm
Very wicked psy... i just found out in new track section  Ultra wicked
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moki
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 13:57
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i dont know why i have to say in every topic that i already make. the problem is that my improvising is connected to my fingers not to this rectangles in cubase or whatever other software. the problem is that what i make is not complicated enough, i wanna see how the more expreienced to it. just a glimpse. whatever project file. promise never to copy anything ever. just wanna excersise the fingers a bit. the basic things. dont wanna spend years invain like i did with five years, ( see the post above). the score can do miracles. the project files too. it is good to know mucis theory. so simple.
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Spycht
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 22:19
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If you're looking to see how dark artists "develop the really weird stuff" neither theory nor a score is going to help you. That's why it sounds weird. You'll either see several long notes or many erratic ones. There is generally no theory involved beyond staying in key.
As for wanting MIDI files to see the score.. Where did this come from?
If I'm not mistaken the original topic creator wanted to know if anyone pre-produced their tracks with a written score. Poor Luis M just wanted peoples opinions on doing things the other way around.
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moki
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 22:33
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well that is exactly why cubase must be developed . it should be able to show this long notes as more than a long note but as that what is actually being heared. as score. because no matter what they use to make it sound weird, at the recepient side this comes as a variety of notes, variety of score, even if it is only one long note that they variate.
i said about the midi only by the way as the topic developed. at the beginning i only wanted to have a score from a cubase project exported in a pdf format. ( btw it cant be so dificult for steinberg to put an option to export it as a pdf). but then as the topic delevoped i saw that i can use this nice opportunity to ask for a midi or a project file. wanna see the music theory behind it. sorry to ask like that in a forum but i find it more appropriate than just going to someone and asking him if he can give me the precious project file. then he can have a problem to say no which is not a good thing
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mk47
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 05:58
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lol , quit worrying about all this score business , just download some programs and start pressing buttons to see what they do , & apart from here .. google , wiki , youtube stuff and you`l find all u need , midi score is useless for psytrance , and will only help to get a melody out from a track in case u cant recreate it yourself , don`t bother with all that stuff , if you want a whole project file , subconciousmind has a cpr hosted on his site , track made with all free plugs etc .. best of luck
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mubali
Mubali
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 16:30
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On 2009-01-11 22:33, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
well that is exactly why cubase must be developed . it should be able to show this long notes as more than a long note but as that what is actually being heared. as score. because no matter what they use to make it sound weird, at the recepient side this comes as a variety of notes, variety of score, even if it is only one long note that they variate.
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In as score format, how would you write something that simulates the a combination of vibrato and a pitch variation of 5-8 semitones all while one long note is held... If you think about it from a classical approach, vibrato was a special technique that the violins and other string based instruments used, but it wasn't written into the score. For psychedelic music, there really isn't a scoring procedure made that will honestly simulate what you are hearing. Plus, to be honest how can you score something that's sound you can't even describe? There's no possibility to score a filter sweep, or to visually represent granular synthesis, and sampling. Hell, midi files have a hard time representing that as well. Feel free to access any score you want, but learning to play 16th and 32nd note riffs by hand can be cool, but never forget sound design.
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Jan 12, 2009 16:32
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the problem is that my improvising is connected to my fingers not to this rectangles in cubase or whatever other software.
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Why don't you simply record yourself playing on a MIDI keyboard then ? |
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