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MUSIC THEFT - What to do wean a label "Rob's You Blind" ???
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UnderTow
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Posted : May 12, 2007 20:59
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Energy Loop: If anything prices are going down.
Is it more than 1000 Euro? (very doubtfull) If not, I would say you probably should write it off. And if you don't have a contract, you can't even really make any claims in a court of law.
It sucks but thats just how it is...
The only thing you can do is expose the label for what they are in the hope that other artists will avoid that label.
Btw, I am no legal expert but from my understanding a self addressed CD is no valid proof in a court of law. (Including the UK). That is just a myth AFAIK. You really need to have the music registered and a proper contract
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 12, 2007 21:05
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UnderTow
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Posted : May 12, 2007 21:18
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Colin, And I think there lies the problem: Proving that it hasn't been tampered with...
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Seppa
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Posted : May 12, 2007 23:35
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Wrong ! You can. if someone make a profit out of your work, by law he has to pay you the author's right. that's just the way it is. it doesn't matter if you have a contract or else as long as you can prove that profit has been made with your work.
as for the letter its been like that in the uk since a long time and it works. |
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spinalpuppet
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Posted : May 13, 2007 00:09
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a label black list is a great idea.
copyright isnt going to be worth anything if you dont have the money to go to court. the label probly has no money either or they wouldnt act shady, so even if you win you lose. bankrupting yourself to stick it to a label is rather senseless. |
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Seppa
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Posted : May 13, 2007 00:52
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agreed!
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : May 13, 2007 01:10
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On 2007-05-12 18:51, ENERGYLOOP wrote:
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On 2007-05-12 13:42, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
well, many label are ot even registered as a company... i mean they all they do is black market.. because if they were registered, the laws will force them to sign contracts with their artists and of course they will need official "Invoice" to prove what they have done with the money.
So, how can you sue a label that doesn't even official exist ?
And aother thing...is it really worth to sue a label for only 150 -200 Euro track?
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hey man... what are you talking about ??? 150 - 200 ???????????? my 1st track to DEJAVU records back in 2004 was for 300.
i am talking about a "REAL" and known LABEL.
the label made some money for shore on this CD coz no one of the artists got any money.
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well i dunno how much they pay you..and of course it's not my problem !!!
but like you said, Dejavu payed you 300 in 2004 !
Well many things changed since 2004 !
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Elad
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Posted : May 13, 2007 01:42
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On 2007-05-12 20:59, UnderTow wrote:
if you don't have a contract, you can't even really make any claims in a court of law.
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well... easy to prove who is the artist there are so many sites that have artist pictures... and after one realese with your name there is no way turn this around.. and the label i think should prove he had premission to realese !! if no contract... i think label should worry more about violate copyrights.
as well i think post your own tracks to yourself , cd with track , 24bit unmastered , with channels seperated , is prove enough , nobody else can have this other then u.
no expert as well , jus a thought.
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ENERGYLOOP
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Posted : May 13, 2007 01:50
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On 2007-05-13 01:10, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
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On 2007-05-12 18:51, ENERGYLOOP wrote:
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On 2007-05-12 13:42, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
well, many label are ot even registered as a company... i mean they all they do is black market.. because if they were registered, the laws will force them to sign contracts with their artists and of course they will need official "Invoice" to prove what they have done with the money.
So, how can you sue a label that doesn't even official exist ?
And aother thing...is it really worth to sue a label for only 150 -200 Euro track?
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hey man... what are you talking about ??? 150 - 200 ???????????? my 1st track to DEJAVU records back in 2004 was for 300.
i am talking about a "REAL" and known LABEL.
the label made some money for shore on this CD coz no one of the artists got any money.
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well i dunno how much they pay you..and of course it's not my problem !!!
but like you said, Dejavu payed you 300 in 2004 !
Well many things changed since 2004 !
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that's not the point !!!!!!!!!
the point is that the label is selling the CD's.
and even if he sold 1 copy of it or 1000 copy's he shoold not use our matirial whitout permition.
* how can we know how much copy's of a CD has been sold ?
* were can we find this kind of information ?
* are the facroty's that prints the CD's dont ask the label to see a copy of a signd contract ?
"fuck money..."
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Boobytrip
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Posted : May 13, 2007 02:15
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Maybe i'm naive, but can't the label be forced to show a contract saying that they own the track if you sue them ? A contract is there to protect two parties, isn't it ?
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ENERGYLOOP
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Posted : May 13, 2007 02:43
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : May 13, 2007 08:10
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On 2007-05-13 02:43, ENERGYLOOP wrote:
what about the "use of atrist name" whitout permition on the printed track list ?
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Have you properly registered your artist name and own the rights to it(which is usually pretty expensive to do)? If so then you can take action. If not, even though it sucks there is very little you can do about their use of the name. Much like the case a few years back when a large record company made a bandwagon jumping CD called "Shiva Space Technology", even though there is a record label of the same name in the trance scene.
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Rishi
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Posted : May 13, 2007 12:32
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I know it doesnt help and that actions towards doing things in alternative way are possible ,but for an example if you have to print a cd in Denmark you have to run it through and instance called NCB ( nordic copyright bureau ), the firm replicating the cd simply wont start work before they have the receipt from NCB . Ncb ensures that the track get registered and that the artist will receive a fee , if and when the track gets played , radio , concerts and so on . (This depends also if the artist are registered as artists at a place called Koda ( componist Rights ) This isnt expensive and Koda had then a record of you work , actually when you finish a track you upload all info about the track , and when someone registers a cd for print at ncb , it all happens automatically. I am sure other countries aswell have this kind of artist/track registration ensuring the rights of the indvidual . And again actually I payed money for people , that arent registered , and wont have the benefits of these things , but this is the artists job , to get benefits from this, label cant do much more than pay the Ncb , and registering at Koda has to be the artists job ( Koda and Ncb are the names in denmark, i.e Gema in germany, you should check ofcourse ur own country for something like this)
I see it two ways , today , with the internet , there are so many labels opening up , and alot also going down the drain after some time. If an artist gets an offer of 400 euro for a track from a new label never released before , and also if this is one of the OR the first track you release , well ofcourse you should get payed , but also , have to think of the amount of people joining the psy producing community every day .. Well there are many people in the "fight" of getting released , you have to establish yourself first before bigger and more serious labels maybe start taking you serious . So the 400 maybe shouldnt been taken that hard , ofcourse its a break of trust , but from a label opened up 2 months ago , well , could be expected imho . Ofcourse this is real low , from these labels , and again , these labels will most likely not survive , and after some time go down the drain .
So my advice , and i know its not the optimal , but dont expect too much from label names that you never heard of . And if you want to ensure not to get ripped ,well follow all the former advices , also sign contract and have a signature from the label , and if a new label will go through all of this mess to cheat you and 8 others for these amounts , they are certainly doomed in the future , and well ur music has been exposed . Tried this myself with a couple of "net" compilations .. releasing some of my old stuff in really bad quality , I was maybe stupid , and also alot greener , was happy to see my name in a Va released in all of these filesharing forums on an online compil .
I would dare to say , when people start taking you more serious ( and they ofcourse should from the start , and again remember everyday is born 10 new artists all wanting to release and earn money , and play in the big world ) well the more established labels still living, will have an interest , and you have a much better chance getting what u have diserved .
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Rishi
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Posted : May 13, 2007 12:35
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Btw think the black list thing could be good , and maybe have a list of the active releasing labels out there with some comments from people who have worked together with them . So that when a never or even more experienced name get an offer they can check former artists experience .
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Posted : May 14, 2007 11:08
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there are many sites
selling maximum of the va/albums as solo tracks
even our free promo we released is bieng sold there 
they also mention on thier site that they pay artist and label respectively for every sale they do ... which is bullshit
il post the links when i get to my home pc
anyways as of ur issue you should made a contract or some basic paper work
no point wasting time and energy now ... next time its better to be more carefull and release in more "serious compilations" than "friendly compilations" when u expect to sell a track
my 2 cents
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