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Input
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Posted : Dec 31, 2003 14:29
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yumade40
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Posted : Jan 1, 2004 14:14
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Logic version 6 only for macintosh until 5 also pc versions.....
peace and happy new year,
mike |
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Psypeyote...
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Posted : Jan 2, 2004 03:03
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REASON Masterclass with Logic 
no doubt about it |
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Jan 2, 2004 08:54
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Input, take a look at Sonar from cakewalk,
Logic for PC is att 5.5.1
and thats as far as you get with logic...if you wont go mac 
Also take a look at various Hosts at k-v-r
Samplitude, looks kind of wicked =)
http://www.samplitude.com/de/sam.htm
Massiva might be worth checking out aswell..
http://www.webmassiva.com/
and Muzys
http://www.muzys.com/
New hosts are always coming, but it takes some time, so dont worry you will find something that works good for you some day...
best advice i can give you is to work with some sequencers and see which one you can get the best out of, if you cant find a "all in one" sequencer you can always work with different sequencers and take whats best from different sides..
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 2, 2004 13:32
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OK, it works like this - Fruity Loops Studio 4.51 has just been released, and it's mixer is stronger than ever - not quite as strong as cubase's, but doesn't need to be ashamed of anything, as it has many points in which it's superior - the track structuring interface, the fact that you don't need to work with more than 6 different types of windows throughout the entire creation of a track, it's intuitive interface, and despite what all people think - it's output quality does not fall from that of cubase and logic. And it's sampler is very handy and simple, with a lot of nifty options and very easily automated via the piano roll.
Problems with fruity loops: Lack of numerical values on all of the meters/gauges, mediocre automation, lack of tools for getting a proper mixdown, incompatability with a few plugins, mixer is based on modular technology.
Cubase is much easier to get a good mixdown with, and is much easier to get a 'pro' sound with due to it's better mixer, automation and sound analysis options. There is no such thing as VSTi incompatability, as Steinberg invented that standard. Cubase SX 1.xx has gotten even decently stable, using a lot of code from Nuendo. This is also by far the most popular sequencer in the psytrance scene.
Weakpoints - completely unintuitive system of work, simple to pick up on via the menus, but not organized at all, something that makes track composition a lot more work than it should be. The lack of flexible FX work on VSTis is horrible, if you want to work right, you'll have to work with audio - and that's NOT the way it's supposed to be. It's mixer is better than FL Studio's, but it's not a league ahead as many would like to believe.
Logic Audio Platinum has one main advantage over the rest - integrated sidechaining options, which can help get a clean mix even if you have the worst speakers in the universe. It's also got the slickest automation system, the most powerful mixer that any software for PC offers (by far) - a pointer based mixer, if anyone wants to know how it was programmed - which means it's much more flexible than the modular ones. It's also got some really nifty internal programs - a very nice sampler (second only to Fruity Loops) and very clean sounding instruments and effects.
Things that make you wish they'd still be developing this for PC: Hard to learn the basics, while the advanced stuff is pretty easy to catch on to and very intuitive once you 'understand' the software, learning the basics can and will take some time. As people have mentioned - 5.5.1 will be the last version for PC (at least, that's what emagic are saying at the moment), so unless you get a mac, you won't be touching versions 6.xx and up. Also - in the automation screen, you will not see each graph with a unique marking, but rather all of them one over another, with only the one in current use highlighted.
I don't know Orion, Pro Tools, Nuendo or Reason, but hope this has been of help to you. If you want to have fun while making music while not giving too much thought to it and not intending to release it, I'd recommend FL Studio. If you want to work with other people (or learn from them) and have a will to wait for SX 3.xx until it catches up with Logic (and even then I'm not really sure it will, but it will eventually), than cubase is the thing for you - also comes with a lot of sounds/FX that are very commonly used in full-on today. If you want to walk in the way of the Twisted Records mafia (Hallucinogen, Ott and such), Logic is definately the most proffesional piece of software out there today. While the basics will take longer to learn than cubase, the learning curve is steeper only in the beginning. Much more powerful than Cubase today, but who knows - maybe Cubase will finally be programmed properly in the next year or so and then you'd be happy that you learned it. Of course, I wouldn't count on that (as SX 1 was released as an answer to Logic 5.xx, and SX 2 is still far worse on a few very important points).
I've understood that Pro Tools is pretty handy when working with hardware, and that Nuendo is nicer than Cubase for people that do mainly audio-based work, but that's as much as I can help you on those.
Hope I've been of some help.
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solipt1c
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Posted : Jan 2, 2004 21:10
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> Weakpoints - completely unintuitive system of work, simple to pick up on via the menus, but not organized at all, something that makes track composition a lot more work than it should be
this is simply opinion, and one which i strongly disagree with
imho nuendo has easily the most intuitive arrangement of work, and menu layout , of any sequencer i've ever tried (which includes VST5, logic, cakewalk, buzz, etc, etc)
maybe you find it illogical but i find it extremely logical - i never read the manual, but within 3 days i was working very easily, because every time i wanted to do something, i just looked in the most obvious place, and it was right there.
(assuming theydidnt totally re-arrange the menus between nuendo and sx, which seems doubtful)
the reason sx is changed so drastically from vst5 is that, imho, vst5 was a horrible bag of crap. now, obviously, you are used to it, so you would disagree, and rather it didnt change so much. but, i tried hard to learn vst5, and totally failed, because it was so staggeringly unintuitive and illogical to my eyes. not to mention the code was very outdated and complex. personally i think a total rewrite was the right choice for steinberg... its a shame that it means vst5 users essentially have to learn from scratch, but lets face it, you will be doing exactly that anyway if you switched to logic, protools, sonar, or whatever - so you may as well do it with cubase!
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solipt1c
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Posted : Jan 2, 2004 21:11
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ah - reread more carefully - you were actually saying the menus are simple, but the rest is not.
well, i still disagree ... besides which i barely touch the menus anymore because you can configure any key command to do just about anything, so all my common operations are mapped the way i choose, and i work extremely quickly, barely touching the mouse.
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Input
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Posted : Jan 2, 2004 22:18
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1st thank you all,
Kaz thanks a lot for the information i found it helpfull - i used to work 4 years ago with fruityloops v1.x until v3 and i didn't find it professional, however it's very nice software to play around and learn the basics(i dont know how's the new versions are) anyway i use to work with cubase 5 few years and now i moved to SX - technically she's very easy to control - but she looks to square for me - but i guess it takes some time to get use to any software(cubase, logic, nuendo etc)
solipt1c after you said that thing about the total change between cubase 5 to SX - i think that i'm now looking on it at a different perspective and i think i'm agree with you - cubase 5 was total crap but hey after all - i have a much better creative flow with this old version.
Triptocoma tnx for your help i will check out your tips-
and last thing to SuperGlue - you got a point in what you say - i guess that if i didn't had so many clothes in my closet it would'nt take me so much time to choose what i want to wear, 
Space is the place
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yumade40
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Posted : Jan 4, 2004 12:24
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Logic is a piece of cake.....i learned most of it stuff in two weeks all by myself with the help of the killer manual it has....
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 4, 2004 13:24
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kaz, what's wrong with Cubase's vst effects?
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AhmedTaburov
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Posted : Jan 5, 2004 20:05
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First of all-FL Studio (FruityLoops) is not so bad...actualy it's pretty DAMN GOOD!!!Don't look just at the price!So maybe it looks like eJay...but a lot of PROs use it (not for producing complete tracks but for creating drum rythms).I prefer Cubase SX because of the multi-output support-for instance:Logic does not support all Multi VSTi (NI Battery).Cubase SX also easier to learn & to use.But I think that Logic's effects are much better. |
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Te_nTe
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Posted : Jan 5, 2004 22:29
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Ahmed - i saw your post which you wrote you working on FL
here you say you use Cubase and also mention that Logic's effects are much better
If yu know so well those progs - i am shocked |
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