Saii
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Posted : Jul 16, 2008 08:56:30
ok...for the muon tau pro ...how do i make sure that my fullon rolling bassline is fat but at the same time is not muddy so there is enough headroom to fill in the leads...?
what are your prefered tried-and-tested settings.
please discuss in as much detail as possible...including compression, distortion, and/or eq.....
thanks for any information in advance
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Posted : Jul 16, 2008 10:22
Try to make your bass sound good before you add anything to the fx chain.
It's all about the kick and the bass just bouncing together. Find a kick to suite the bass or a bass to suite your kick, try to make them similar or complementary.
Make sure you fine adjust your decay and envmod knobs, also de cutoff one should be carefully set. User little or no decay in fullonbasslines with tau.
Pay attention to your note's velocities, then adjust accent and treshold knobs so you get it pumping the right way.
Don't use any of the tau fx on fullon basses, it will make it sound weird, also do not detune your osc nor PWM them only if you know what you are doing.
Add a sine/saw/square an octave lower in the second osc and use the balance knob to give like 80% osc1 20% osc2 mix, you can try sync or ring the osc to find different timbres.
Never use Tau's drive on bass, use it when creating acid lines but not for basses. Drive goes zero.
When you have a nice sounding bassline then proceed to eq kick and bass, little eq on both, highpassing bass at 30hz, maybe compression, bass boosting, distortion, sidechaining, etc.
Always check file with a wave editor so you can actually see levels of kick vs bass.
Tau is great for bass, just find your method to obtain bass from scratch, practice bass from cero and you'll end with the ability to create bass on any synth.
Remember psy basses are (90% of them) SAW osc with fast filter envelope. Special atention on decay (amp/flt).
I ain't no pro but im sure that can help you a lot.
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Posted : Jul 16, 2008 12:54
Oni Katsu
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Posted : Oct 25, 2010 10:54
Heyhey i was looking for some good VST's for psytrance basslines and i ended up falling in love with this one
You might find it quite interesting
The sound itself is really good, tho the quality kinda makes it lack bass. i'm willing to try it once i get this VST.
Anyone got a site where i can like..
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Posted : Oct 25, 2010 23:36
i have tried my hand at this and always failed to achieve the right bass... somehow i feel very comfi wid vb1 and novation - v station....
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Posted : Oct 25, 2010 23:58
interesting post. I sometimes try to make good taupro basslines, then i always end up comparing it to some other vst bassline and I end up changing it.
When I was starting out, I asked Safi.Connection how he made his basslines sound so killer and what he used and he said Taupro. I'm still amazed.
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Posted : Oct 26, 2010 12:35
Tau Pro Vst got an very old and dry sound Theres 2 (From what i know and use before 1 is the one who Oni Katsu show in here and
the other is smaller with an silver color) Try get an better , Deeper , And harder sounds Vst's for bass like alien , Cronox and those .
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Posted : Oct 26, 2010 17:32
Something I've found that helps with the Taupro is to have the mix mode on "Ring" and have the balance almost all slanted towards the saw side, and you can switch the other side of the balance to another waveform and see how it effects the sound.
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Posted : Oct 26, 2010 18:26
I like the cubase 5 multiband compressor better than waves c4. But Waves c4 gives that nasally sound, if that's what you're really looking for. Also, don't set the gain on Rbass too high.
I know some people use quadrafuzz as well like Protoculture who loves it haha, but it seems really hard to tweak it and keep a clean sound. If you have a good sounding bass that you like after a bit... try making a song then adding quadrafuzz later on so you can hear if it makes the bass jump out of the mix better in the more busy parts. You could always automate it in as well, if it's not hugely noticeable.
I think the biggest part of making the tau work for your bass is just getting those 64th notes down instead of 16ths like Subre's tut says.
Cutting too much around 70-100 makes the bass sound weak, but there is a bit of ringyness in those freqs with tau. At the same time, when I just went through it, the multiband compressor was the most help in getting rid of the ringing freqs.
Also, if you decide to use a normal compressor (not multiband) make sure that it doesn't kill the bass freqs completely.
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Posted : Oct 26, 2010 18:48
If you do key changes with it also, I think it would be smart to re-EQ for the key changes, because it loses a ton of punch just going from 1 note to the next.
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Posted : Oct 27, 2010 13:03
You can make heavy bass with both muon tau and muon tau pro...
best is always to tweak the parameters until you are happy with the sound. Sometimes i compare 5 different vst and even one hardware for bass and most of the times its the first one thats best, but not always...
And like aciduss say, the kick needs to fit with the baseline. Sometimes its just that you got the wrong kick for the right bass...
Oni Katsu
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Posted : Nov 10, 2010 07:27
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On 2010-10-26 12:35, Cardinals Cartel wrote:
Tau Pro Vst got an very old and dry sound Theres 2 (From what i know and use before 1 is the one who Oni Katsu show in here and
the other is smaller with an silver color) Try get an better , Deeper , And harder sounds Vst's for bass like alien , Cronox and those .
i gotta admit i like its dryness, but i just got CronoX tho, you recommend it for basslines?
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I said I like it dirty, not muddy.
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Posted : Nov 10, 2010 07:33
cronox is really good for bass. deep, sharp and tight.
Oni Katsu
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Posted : Nov 10, 2010 08:09
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On 2010-11-10 07:33, Psydust wrote:
cronox is really good for bass. deep, sharp and tight.
Really? i can't figure how to use it, i found some tutorials, but the main problem is that all of them are for CronoX v2 and i have the v3, they look SO different.
Have you got any advices? i'm trying to figure where to even start here, haha
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I said I like it dirty, not muddy.
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