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MP3 vs. WAV which is better? stop the talk! - SHOWDOWN - Are you up for a test?
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iTranscendence
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 05:14
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I have hd 555's I'm up for the challenge, though I did this myself on my own computer when I made the heart wrenching decision of whether I should focus on a completely lossless format for my collection or not.
Edit: I'm going to post this at TA and t.nu as well.
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lord_bhairava
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 07:30
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i was thinking about... and i was a thought about it, yes im sure wav, flac wathever have better quality, but mp3 up to 300kbps sounds really nice also to play with huge sound equipment.
The point is, i feel a possing attitude about wavs and flacs, that young djs(u know what i mean) thinks if they play wavs they are more professionals or something but they dont notice they play like a shit, they must learn about mix and practice theire skills before they want to show us they play with "wavs"
also with other people who likes wavs, im sure they dont have the sensitive ears to listen a real difference
maybe they think they have.. so this is just a shitty snob attitude
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 13:00
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On 2009-09-10 07:30, lord_bhairava wrote:
i was thinking about... and i was a thought about it, yes im sure wav, flac wathever have better quality, but mp3 up to 300kbps sounds really nice also to play with huge sound equipment.
The point is, i feel a possing attitude about wavs and flacs, that young djs(u know what i mean) thinks if they play wavs they are more professionals or something but they dont notice they play like a shit, they must learn about mix and practice theire skills before they want to show us they play with "wavs"
also with other people who likes wavs, im sure they dont have the sensitive ears to listen a real difference
maybe they think they have.. so this is just a shitty snob attitude
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how about old dj that can mix great and still know his set sound better with only wav's?
download the test and tell us the answer. you assume when there is proove infront of you , now thats abit snob-ish 
you are actualy saying , "I cant hear the difference , so no one can" but hey what if some people can hear better?
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for all the djs i have better test.
play track in wav , then mix to the same track in mp3. see the people response and tell us if they dance harder in one of them..
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 13:31
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either way , even if no one hear the difference , most (95%) mp3 are stolen - illeagal downloaded and full of bad karma. artist didnt wanted that to happen , therefor the vibes arent flowing naturally. in this i believe more then in the sound - wich i claim to hear the difference anywayz.
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Suloo
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 16:27
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i downloaded and cannot tell 100 % as well..
got Adam A7`s & an almost proper room, but i still think on big rigs its possible to hear a difference in the high end..
or maybe the music i listened to on that particular partys was just bad produced at all..maybe
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 16:29
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all rigs very often do not have a good transmission above 15khz.
128kbps can be heard, that is true for sure. there really is a lot missing
320kbps, as good as no chance, anywhere.
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Suloo
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 16:34
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yea, and 320 ripped files r pretty rare actualy
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 16:39
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On 2009-09-10 13:31, Elad wrote:
either way , even if no one hear the difference , most (95%) mp3 are stolen - illeagal downloaded and full of bad karma. artist didnt wanted that to happen , therefor the vibes arent flowing naturally. in this i believe more then in the sound - wich i claim to hear the difference anywayz.
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interesting point with the karma and such I totally give you that. I think you are right about it!
But as for the physical sound: if you can tell the difference, which file is the wav? A B C or D? or maybe even which is the 192, 128, 320?
The thing is a lot of people are saying "mp3 are bad" but they are either just repeating other peoples words or when speaking from experience are talking about badly converted mp3s or 128kbps mp3s or mp3s that have been reconverted into an mp3 in another bitrate etc. But thats totally missing the point.
If an mp3 is properly, professionally encoded a 320kbps mp3 is as good as perfect and noone would ever know. Even 192kbps (which I would never use) is as good as inaudibly different in most environments. all the fuss around the lossless (some even argue about wav or flac) is pointless if noone can tell the difference between a 320kbps and a wav.
I encode all my CDs in 320kbps, all my downloads I select 320kbps. Even my unmastered songs I export directly to 320kbps when I need to listen to them im my car to work on the mix. I've tried using wavs for a time.. I didn't notice a difference.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 16:40
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On 2009-09-10 16:34, Zork wrote:
yea, and 320 ripped files r pretty rare actualy
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you mean illegal downloads? the official downloads on juno and beatport are 320kbps.
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laserflip
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 16:47
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The converter is more important than the bitrate. A 128 kbit file converted with LAME sounds better than 192 kbit coverted with Itunes. |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 17:10
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interesting that 128, 192 and 320 were included but no variable bit rates?
lame -V0 preset is almost as good as 320 and takes up MUCH less space
Also, there is a good reason why you would want to burn wav on a data CD instead of an audio CD: Data CDs have a different error correction scheme than audio CDs (data CDs try to correct errors and produce bit-perfect copies, and give up when they can't. Audio CDs will *cover up* errors and try to make them inaudible) |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 17:13
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Also if you say you can hear the diff between 320 and wav, that is likely because if the incoming signal has lots of limiting, the 320 will come out even more limited, and so will sound quieter (louder is usually better to our ears) |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 17:28
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On 2009-09-10 17:13, Shiranui wrote:
Also if you say you can hear the diff between 320 and wav, that is likely because if the incoming signal has lots of limiting, the 320 will come out even more limited, and so will sound quieter (louder is usually better to our ears)
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who sais that? he should prove it!
wave as data because of error correction.. give me a break. first anyone should identify the wav in the test om my website. then we can talk.
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kameleonpangea36
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 19:25
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On 2009-09-10 13:31, Elad wrote:
either way , even if no one hear the difference , most (95%) mp3 are stolen - illeagal downloaded and full of bad karma. artist didnt wanted that to happen , therefor the vibes arent flowing naturally. in this i believe more then in the sound - wich i claim to hear the difference anywayz.
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X 100!
with psy and prog psy I will only play bought cds. they sound the best. supporting the scene with cd buying is very important too, more people should do it!
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Loopfreaks/Electrofreaks
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Posted : Sep 10, 2009 19:30
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Of course people can’t hear the difference on their bad soundcard on their computer. But test it on a prober rig used at prober parties and you'll notice the difference. But no, people are not going to tell the difference listening on their computers.
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