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MP3 RELEASES CONTROVERSY !!!!!!!
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___luizparreiras
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Posted : Oct 28, 2001 22:15:35
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Hey Auspexx,
"does the fact that you can't get your hands on a new CD every week makes it right for you to illegaly copy it? "
no it doesn't mean i can do sth illegal. Not at all. That's why i said that i try to buy as much stuff as i can get my hands on. And, as my friend VOR said, most ppl don't have that kind of thoughts/respect for the artists. Plus, i'm not even a dj. I don't make money off of music, i listen to it for my own pleasure. And i'm 20 years old, so i can't afford every single cd i want to have. Even when they're very important to me.
Now, if some shithead cant hold sth to himself, u should ask him why. That's the bottomline. Or record labels should only give ppl stuff when its available on stores. Or else, every single time stuff like what happened to your friends, or Delta, will keep happening. It's as simple as that.
Bottomline is, artists deserve recognition for their work. And that means $$, period. I strongly advocate that ppl buy released records, so artists can get what they need in order to keep moving!!
Luiz Paulo
ps: bro, u dont have any idea how long does it take for my cds to arrive in my country!! Try coming down here sometime. I would personally love to hear u djing. |
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___yuli
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Posted : Oct 28, 2001 22:28:33
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Cozy Cactus 192 bit decoding is good enough to play on big sound system that is one.
Two - I am not worried - life tought me well not to get too frustrated from shitheads ( there are too many of them in this world.. ;-) )
Three - it's awfull that they rip with lame decoders, I think u should sue them for that.
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___iamtherealganjalien
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Posted : Oct 28, 2001 22:34:59
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Last few weeks have been horrible. I have noticed that trance tracks are blocked in AudioGalaxy. I have 56k modem so no ftp uploading shit for me.
I don't own a visa or any other credit card so it's impossible for me to buy the cds online. I live in Helsinki so we have quite a few record stores, but most of them do not sell ambient music at all. So? Im fucking pissed!! Can't get new music at all "PERIOD". I think it's stealing that the online stores don't support the postal paying method.. I don't know the right word.. but the thing where they send the cd to my post office and I cash it there.. psyshop supports this but psyshop is weak.. |
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___sophicos
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 01:15:25
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i can only add that im gonna buy this disk too as as it gets to the stores ..as well as the new xdream albom ..(which has not got on mp3 yet)
wonder when that will happen ..
and it pisses me off too , as fan and mostly as a creator becouse , it makes you think , you invest so much in your productions , then when your as big as xdream and friends ppl will spread you stuff ILLIGALLY within the hour !!
too bad
i think there is nothing wrong with fanatik trading , 1 , 2 tracks..
thu i know , I cant live without the mp3 scene that supply my the opportoniny to check the new stuff coming out , yet i know i cant really think this will go away .
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___Kinetichonda
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 20:54:02
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FYI the Delta album is due November so promos should be out by now.
The X-Dream is due Feb. so no promos yet (Xcept for 2-3 tracks allready doing the unreleased curcuit, promotion for sure!!!) |
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___star_traveller
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Posted : Oct 30, 2001 15:38:47
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Dr. Borris .. I have not as yet seen a single promo for the new delta album .. not on the Global trance network website, not when I went for a d.drum party recently, not anywhere ... so I dont think it`ll be out in november ...
These Groove Emission guys .. they seem to get all the music .. what are they? some sort of group |
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___bagakid
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Posted : Oct 31, 2001 09:21:49
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they are a bunch of rippers, competing to get the freshest releases first. Its like a big contest, peronally i think it is pathetic. |
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___Auspexx
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Posted : Oct 31, 2001 14:15:05
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hi again, southern friend (oops, a rhime!)
I didn't mean to criticise you personaly, I understand that you personaly respect the artists and their work. This debate is about general subject and is aimed at the people who do these kinda things.
I'm sure that a person who's got a good computer and can afford a good enough internet connection to download mp3 (which can cost sometimes more that 30-40$ per month), can afford to buy 1-2 CDs a month. is my math correct?
I once sat with a guy over music, and handed him my music bag - "just pick anything u wish from there, mate" I said. The guy didnt even listen to the trax, he just started copying like a madman. WHY? "I prefare to copy and then listen to it", he said, when he had all the time in the world to listen and choose the best ones.
This is an example of what's going on the net - ppl download so much (like pigs), have so much availble music on their hard-drives, that they don't even know what's in it anymore. when you get too much of something (and again, I'm not talking about DJs who has to live 'inside' the music), you stop appreciating it, and it becomes Valueless.
I do believe that if you but a CD per month, you will enjoy it much more since you will carefuly choose the CD that fits you the most, you will cherish it more (since it didnt come easily).
bottomline - I'm dying to go and play in the developping scene in S.America, but as I mentioned before, sometimes you can't afford to do it, so I have to wait till either I got the money for it or I get booked...
and yuli - 10 points for your decoder remark.
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___luizparreiras
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Posted : Oct 31, 2001 16:08:10
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Hey Auspexx (why do ppl call u Tal?),
now u have reached a point where i totally agree with u! Nowadays it's not about the music anymore. It's about the thrill of having more "unreleased, rare, hard to get, killer" traks. Is it bad? Yep, because nobody pays attention to the quality of the music anymore. It's kind of a vicious circle i think. Ppl don't buy records (enough of them at least), so labels don't care about doing quality, hard work, and artists dont get $ for their time and sweat, and then records turn out bad, so nobody wants to buy them (and the circle closes hehe).
The thing is, how do u break that vicious circle? Education i believe. Try to spread the word about what is good and what is bad, what work needs to be rewarded. I do that everyday with my friends, and i try to encourage them to buy the stuff they like. It is a matter of taste too, ppl should hear what they like, not what someone told them that was rare/killer/what-the-hell.
Anyway, i believe that as time goes by, eventually things will get better. Discussions like this can only help.....;)
Luiz Paulo
ps: your math is right. Getting a cd here costs about $25. A dsl connection costs about $40/month. |
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___jacky
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Posted : Oct 31, 2001 16:25:45
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hey people. i just wanted to say that in our world as mankind things are getting allot more dificult, in all areas you have to be better than for example our parents needed to succeed. in the music world it's one of the hardest fields to succeed with a huge competition and the net doesnt do it easier, but all the creators and dj that do care about downloading have a huge ammount of unreliesed tracks or cd's that they got from friends.. tal himself said that he offered his "mate" to take anything he likes..
basically it's like downloading.. we dont give a fuck if someone takes our tracks from our case but we do when it get's downloaded... so what you gonna do? dont download but do take an md copy of your friend.. i think it's same same.
And i dont say downloading is good or bad, i dont say that recording a cd is good or bad.. just gave another prespective.
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___bobhead
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Posted : Nov 1, 2001 14:25:55
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yeah... i agree with luiz paulo and auspexx !
but here in brazil.. a cd usually costs U$ 15,00... and about US 10,00 to delivery.... so... U$ 25,00... as luiz said...
but in your currency it will be R$ 70,00 ....
Not so much people can afford R$ 70,00 for a cd.... but i think that who can buy it.. must buy !
Regards Auspexx and Luiz Paulo
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___CozyCactus
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Posted : Nov 2, 2001 16:44:14
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haaha..Auspeex:))
djs get too much music and cant appreciate it..ang playing valueless music:)) |
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___kaz
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Posted : Nov 2, 2001 17:20:04
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Well, you can hear some DJs that don't put music for any other reason than "I think this'll work", which is legitimate, but not enough...
There are certain levels of knowing the music and living it - and Auspexx - just because you're higher in the ladder doesn't meen anything about the appreciation of music.
I know many people which aren't DJs, and the buy lots of music (and yes, they have mp3s too), they know every single track down to every beat just as much as you - there are stereotypes for listeners as well as for DJs, not everyone doesn't enjoy the music because he gets a lot of it, on the contrary, some DJs think that they enjoy the music on a different level than the listeners, and guess what - we can enjoy lots of music on a real/spiritual/mental level just as much as anyone else.
How did I get to this from mp3s?
no idea :) |
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___Auspexx
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Posted : Nov 5, 2001 11:30:50
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assaf, what laddder? me? higher? who put this nonsence in your head?
this is not a popularity contest, stop this israeli ego-tripping shit where it starts, no one is higher then the other, this is music, not a marathon.
Now, to the point, I wasn't talking here from a DJ point of view, but from what I see as a common listner and with my friends listening habits. The point is that if its important to you, you will do whatever it takes to get the music, and personaly, I believe that you will cherish a track given to you by an artist much more than a track you got just by logging into an FTP site, only because you had to work harder to get it (get to know the artist, proove that you are worth of the track etc'...).
I dunno, but when I heard Headcleaner for the first time @ my friend's place, I could simply burn it straight away, but instead I went & bought it, and believe me, I still feel special knowing that I payed for it. and that's only 1 example. Try it, you might begin to like it (feeling good with yourself knowing that you did it the right way)...
and BTW - this post is aimed @ the general pop' - dont nobody think its personal or something...U can upload Digital Drops on a FTP if you want, I'm not gonna see a penny from ZooB anyway...;)
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___tomeron
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Posted : Nov 5, 2001 11:42:10
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a glass of water? :)
chill guys ... |
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