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___ralih
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Posted : Dec 14, 2000 01:25:15
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I have been tracking music for quite a while now and I feel that I've reached a kind of limit to what I can achieve with tracker software. So now I feel that I would like to go on, but I don't really know if i should go on with new software like reason and stuff like that or if i should get some hardware and work that way... If anyone has been in the same situation it would be nice to hear how you did it...
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___BoriZ
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Posted : Dec 14, 2000 10:01:48
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I've been in the exact same situation.
For a long time I tried to work with software, until finally I gave up and started setting up a hardware based studio.
I can tell you that you have to find out by yourself which is the best way for you to work.
Some people can be absolutely satisfied with software, while other (like me) can't work with anything else but hardware.
In any case - you WILL have to buy a GOOD soundcard, if you are even thinking about moving on from tracking, meaning GOOD ASIO2.0 support.
Allso - you might consider buying pulsar, which is a kind of a hybridization between software and hardware.
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___Max
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Posted : Dec 14, 2000 13:31:31
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Soft is cool because you can forget about all the shitty things that happens with hardware...midi connections, midi congestions, you don't need to sample your synth sounds, you can use 10000 kind of plugins in real time on each channel...future is soft.
But i bought a Nord Lead and about the sound there's no comparison possible between Reaktor & Nord Lead...especially with the UNISON mode. As soon as Reaktor will sound as a Nord (very soon i'm sure) it's gonna be a prehistoric attitude to work with hardware. |
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___BoriZ
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Posted : Dec 14, 2000 17:22:17
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I used to think so as well - but I don't anymore.
First fo all - the nordlead is an old synth.
Take the Q for example - there is no soft synth that even comes close to what you can produce with this one. Allso - soft synths have SERIOUSE latency and midi timing problems. Most of them respond very badly to midi controllers, so automating them accurately becomes impossible.
And most important - real time control just makes it all so much more fun and creative.
Maybe some day soft synths will be a good replacement, but for now - they are pretty far behind dedicated systems. |
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___MichaelA
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Posted : Dec 14, 2000 18:56:25
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Max, you can't use 10000 realtime plugins!
Just the cost of a computer than can run all of them (and without midi problems) is probably more expensive than a few hardware synths and samplers, and you know who it's like to run a few programs at once, crashes become very common. :( |
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___shaktiman
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Posted : Dec 14, 2000 21:04:30
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latency is not a problem with Reaktor if you have a decent soundcard and computer with enough RAM. I can get it down to 10ms on my p2-350 ! it is _very much_ real-time too... you twiddle a knob ( a real one if you have an external controller.. i do.. a worthwhile investment) and you get a real time response.. beautifull. to tell the truth.. hardware synths ARE ACTUALLY software synths in a dedicated computer... i have also had yamaha synths ** crash *** !! on me !! Reaktor sounds way better than _anything_ the nord lead or nord modular can do if programmed by a skilled designer.. especially when you run it through some nice DX effects in VST.
this is the future.. ;) |
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___Max
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Posted : Dec 15, 2000 14:34:39
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Yep Nord Lead = a computer and almost every synths are like that.
When you buy a synth you re-buy a computer each time that's why soft is the future. I agree with Shakti i think with Reaktor you can make almost same sound than Nord but it takes too much time to understand it. That's why for now i still rather Nord.
Michael => to run 10000 plugin let's say you buy the latest P4 = 2000$ (big big maximum!!!!) then you can use at least 4 effects on 8 stereo channels in the same time.
With hardware you need 1 effect machine per stereo voice.....if you wanna put Fx on 8 channels at the same time you need 8 machines=> impossible if you're not Bill Gates.
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___Max
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Posted : Dec 15, 2000 14:36:27
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About latency i don't see any difference between a hardware synth & reaktor. Ok maybe the Nord is 1 ms and Reaktor is 10. But it's impossible to feel the difference.
You just need ASIO.
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___BoriZ
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Posted : Dec 15, 2000 15:50:26
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Like I said - the nordlead is OLD. No soft synth can come even close to a virus or Q. Second - my hardware does not crash.
My software crash all the time - that's a fact.
About midi controllers - most of them suck, and no software synth can adjust itsel to the speed you are twicking with like hardware synths do. Instead they either give you very bad 128 step filtering (Like with pulsar, which is infact - very bad software running on very bad hardware), or just apply constant interpolation which give you audible latency (Like with rebirth).
Filtering is one of the most importang elements of electronic music, and there is no way to get it right with software. It's either bad sound, or inaccurate sound. |
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___st
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Posted : Jan 28, 2001 13:33:15
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softwere are fine !! if your computer is amonster
and capeble 2 reach agood sounds.
but thers nothing like : "THE REAL THING"
i realy like working with a machine you can realy
play!!! music.i recomended the virus synt you
probebly know it,i myself bouat one and its
fantastic!!!
"i myself is a master of the costodient art or
ajunitor if you want 2 b dignat about it" |
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