Trance Forum \| Stats \| Register \| Search \| Parties \| Advertise \| Login

There are 0 trance users currently browsing this page and 1 guest

Trance Forum ť ť Forum Production & Music Making - Moving from the studio to a "true" live act

	1 2	Next Page →
First Page	1 2	Last Page

Author

Moving from the studio to a "true" live act

cosm
Cosm

Started Topics : 30
Posts : 63
Posted : Sep 11, 2008 12:15:17

Hey Everyone,

I thought I would make a video of my "Studio to live" workshop that I have recently taught around Europe.

This bascially outlines a safe and easy technique to get from the studio to live performance using ableton, and actually doing something live.. not just rendering down your tunes and arranging them together.

The video is free for streaming and download at

http://www.cosm.co.nz/studio2live

enjoy

Tom

psylevation
IsraTrance Full Member

Started Topics : 52
Posts : 841
Posted : Sep 11, 2008 12:37

Thanx Tom!

~Airyck~
~Unoccupied Mind ~
Psyowa!

mubali
Mubali

Started Topics : 71
Posts : 2219
Posted : Sep 11, 2008 15:03

Friggin brillian Tom... I think I'm gonna have to employ some of those techniques...

An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

XuN
IsraTrance Full Member

Started Topics : 84
Posts : 499
Posted : Sep 11, 2008 15:39

Wicked!!! Will watch tonight...

And thanks for a great set in Denmark, and thx for the drivers and sets and usb key

Cheers mate!

www.xun.dk / myspace.com/xundk
!!PLUR!!

Brain Hacked
IsraTrance Full Member

Started Topics : 111
Posts : 442
Posted : Sep 11, 2008 16:59

I might me still asleep but...wheres the download option???, i can only stream te video

eole

Started Topics : 7
Posts : 151
Posted : Sep 11, 2008 17:05

thanks for sharing this!

A noise annoys an oyster but a noisy noise annoys an oyster most.

psyaudionamics
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics : 38
Posts : 546
Posted : Sep 11, 2008 17:55

thanks, good to see how other people use live

Kitnam
Mantik

Started Topics : 110
Posts : 1151
Posted : Sep 11, 2008 17:56

nice video

some tricks included i havent know about and is helpfull because i have a livesetup close to your one.

i once used 4 tracks per song. but only use 2 tracks per song today, because i have found out that i dont need to seperate things very often because it is all seperated in the songarrangement here and there so i can just switch over to the right part of the clip and i have everything i was looking for. when the song does not includes this, this means i came to the conclusion through songwriting that it would not sound nice anyway. 2 channels (kick+bass / the rest) still offer a lot of possibilities.

the other reason is and this leads to my question to you:
playing a liveset with maybe 10 songs with 2 channels per song while each channel got maybe 7 different parts to jump on ends up in 10x2x7 = 140 different clips.

your setup would mean: 10x6x7= 420 different clips - which makes your ableton setup a monster where it would hard to work with imo, especially in stage situation where you need to get your decisions done fast and just in time. how do you manage that?
anyway, great vid!

XuN
IsraTrance Full Member

Started Topics : 84
Posts : 499
Posted : Sep 12, 2008 01:18

Just watched the video... That is just some really cool stuff

It really helped me understand the possebilities in ableton and gave me some motivation to try and go for the "live" performance.

But I do have a question.
When you want to create a whole 1˝ hour live set, you will need to do this on all of the tunes. How do you fit all that into ableton, without everything getting messy and how do you make the tracks mix?

Cheers and thanks tom

www.xun.dk / myspace.com/xundk
!!PLUR!!

cosm
Cosm

Started Topics : 30
Posts : 63
Posted : Sep 12, 2008 10:26

To answer your questions regarding using this method for a whole 90 minute + live set, this is how I currently have my live set laid out.

I have one Ableton live set file, which contains all of my songs cut into loops, so it is quite large and there is no need for silence during the transitions of songs.

I have 6 tracks for each song;

Bassline,
Kick,
Percussion,
Synths (pads, melodies etc),
Tech (all my glitchy techy stuff), and
Rest (where everything else lives).

I run a duplicate of these 6 tracks so that I can load up another song while the first is playing, and gradually bring in loops from the 2nd while removing from the 1st until the transition is complete, then I will work back to the first set of 6 when its time to move onto the next time, zigzagging my way down through the scenes.

I have control over the levels of the 12 tracks via a midi controller.

I also run another 6 tracks, again with the same functions (Bass, Kick etc), however these are set up as sub channels, so that the bass track of group 1 and group 2 can be combined together into a single bass track, and the same for the kick tracks, percussions tracks etc. This is so that I can apply specific effects on a track, the bassline for example, and know that it will affect both the bassline tracks from group 1 and 2, saving CPU power. All the effects on these sub groups are midi assigned so i have controll over the sound without having to get into my laptop.

I also run 6 send channels, the first and second are delays with various effects to degrade/cutoff the delay tail, the third contains a series of racks that chop and glitch up whatever is being fed to them. The 4th contains native Ableton Grain delay with a self built formant filter following it, the 5th has a rack set up with the ability to loop whatever gets fed into it with various phasing,flanging and chopping effects after it and the 6th contains a Reverb.

Here is a screenshot from one of my live set files

http://www.cosm.co.nz/images/stories/Tom%20Cosm%20Live%20Set%20Screenshot.png

And if you don't know already, there is a ready to download (for free) Ableton live file with one of my songs chopped up using this method, you can download a demo copy of ableton from www.ableton.com/demo and load this file up, and start playing live straight away and have lots of fun

http://www.cosm.co.nz/abletonpack

-Tom

PsiloCybian
Mammal Footwork