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BioBeat
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Posted : Jul 25, 2011 02:00:40
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help me please ...
i work wide windows ...
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Posted : Jul 25, 2011 02:16
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I have experience with the fireface uc, and I have friend who does have a motu. On PC the motu has some problems, on mac its completely reliable.
The fireface ahs solid drivers, the latency is quite good and mic pre amps sound very clean. Also the sound is fantastic.
Its a hard choice, but in PC I will pick up rme.
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BioBeat
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Posted : Jul 26, 2011 14:34
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the best solution is rme babyface right ??
sorry for my bad english
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BioBeat
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Posted : Aug 11, 2011 02:49
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more opinions please ...
the motu audio express more interessent and more cheap
i like that |
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Posted : Nov 27, 2011 22:53
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I bought recently a rme babyface and i'm so happy....i'll quote Login "(...)solid drivers, the latency is quite good and mic pre amps sound very clean. Also the sound is fantastic." The only thing i would like improved is the headphones amp....the signal lacks a bit of "punch", but still manages ok.
Motu is great but i heard it carries some issues when working with PC.
For me the babyface solved all my issues of portability....i can use it in my studio and take it when i play....i really recommend it!!!
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 28, 2011 04:28
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do you have some low end on the babyface? i have seen some measurment and it seems to start to cut at 50 hz if i rememeber but slowly till the deep low (dunno if its on the ad or da or maybe both)
not really a fan of rme sound personally but good driver |
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monno
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Posted : Nov 28, 2011 08:11
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Low end roll-off at 50hz? Since i do not have any experience with that particular RME gadget i would really like to see those measurements! Don´t tell me that you´ve seen measurements without providing the documentation  What i can say about RME is that, i have never ever had any issues with soundcards from that company. As to MOTU well their converters do sound slightly veiled to my ears (probably cost cutting in the analog filter, as its the same AKM chips in both RME and MOTU),
PC drivers were never that awesome compared to their mac equivalents.
Both will serve you well on the mac but be careful if using a pc, as the success rate is varying especially with firewire interfaces.
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Posted : Nov 28, 2011 15:06
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On 2011-11-28 04:28, PoM wrote:
do you have some low end on the babyface? i have seen some measurment and it seems to start to cut at 50 hz if i rememeber but slowly till the deep low (dunno if its on the ad or da or maybe both)
not really a fan of rme sound personally but good driver
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I can tell you that i dont miss any low end on the babyface which by the way has amazing sound! I find it weird that they would set a an interface to cut frequencies at around 50hz....
I really, really recommend it!
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 28, 2011 15:46
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On 2011-11-28 08:11, monno wrote:
Low end roll-off at 50hz? Since i do not have any experience with that particular RME gadget i would really like to see those measurements! Don´t tell me that you´ve seen measurements without providing the documentation What i can say about RME is that, i have never ever had any issues with soundcards from that company. As to MOTU well their converters do sound slightly veiled to my ears (probably cost cutting in the analog filter, as its the same AKM chips in both RME and MOTU),
PC drivers were never that awesome compared to their mac equivalents.
Both will serve you well on the mac but be careful if using a pc, as the success rate is varying especially with firewire interfaces.
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i will check for it but it s easy to verify by cabling a ad/da loop and using a software,i would not be surprised many rme interface have low end roll off ,the low end sound thin and not extented compared to other interface i used but i m not talking about big cut, more like -1/-2 db at 50/40 hz and progressively more till the deep low.
also agree rme don t veil the sound but i dont like how rme color the sound ,a bit sterile sound ,not musical,not really pleasant, it s clean, but cleaner than what the source is really is imo. |
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Posted : Nov 28, 2011 16:02
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Posted : Nov 28, 2011 21:04
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the roll off pointed in this image is by far insignificant to take into consideration since its less than 1db at 30hz its like 0,5db at 40hz... thats practically nothing.
the sound is indeed surgical clean i always liked that in my rme.. it will tell me easier whats in a mix.. not flattering.
and drivers are top notch.
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 28, 2011 21:40
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it s not faltering that for sure but its not neutral, it don t tell the truth more than a neutral converter imo but yeah after it s about taste, on some cleanical monitors like the old adam i have it not pleasant at all... it make my adam souding very sterile and unpleasant.
also for recording i would rather use converters that respect what i record or add a nice color insteed of making things sounding worst.
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Posted : Nov 28, 2011 22:18
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anyway it was just for saying rme is a lot praised but i find it s more for their drivers, now many consumer company are close or catched up or could even surpass rme with sound.
tc,motu,echo,yamaha,presonus,focusrite,apogee...the competion is hard.
i m not sure but i think these company don't even design their "chip" it s probably sell almost all ready to use in their interface,if they put the price it will deliver good spec and probably good sound too.
i could be wrong but to me i think rme use is notoriety to sell and haven't really improved their hardware design in years for making more money, how old is the hdsp? maybe one decade, it probably sound in the same league astheir babyface or ff400 |
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monno
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Posted : Nov 28, 2011 22:33
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To put things in perspective here´s a chart that plots the frequency response of a well serviced atr-102 2 track recorder (arguably the best sounding tape recorder ever built) http://www.endino.com/graphs/AMPEX-ATR102.GIF
An entire lifetime of great music was mixed down on this and they sound great if the creators made them sound great. Bottom line is frequency plots only say so much and i certainly have had no problems in the low end using rme. Just going by that plot alone i see no evidence of any pronounced frequency deviations in the higher register either, and as such see no evidence of any nastyness going on (not saying you´re wrong either though).
Now i can say that the Adam´s are voiced rather forward in the mid range (in essence that has to be a design choice) and it could be that you actually experienced that, since their response deviate quite a bit from what one considers ruler flat. In fact they are cited as having a frequency response of +-3db (which does not look impressive at all) nevertheless, honest or not, mixes translate rather well for speakers such as these, even in spite of or might i add as a sideeffect of their somewhat shrill nature.
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Posted : Nov 28, 2011 22:45
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yep agree it don't tell much in term of sound and it sure not a issue to produce great sounding tunes but i know the rme sound irritate me and irrate some other producers, coming from higher priced converters or more musical /flatering ones
about the nastiness if the highs and mids it s subbtle ,dont know how to explain it, .lot of audio interface are almost totally flat and they all sound little different, maybe jitter, distortion, have no clue what influence the sound like this,the transients are also affected, rme turn things recorded more itb/digital when listening the transients ,dunno how to explain it,while some converters preserve transients like it was on analog desk for example or like you hear it live from a musician playing..it s more organic and with some rme it attenuate this ,it s part of what make rme sound a bit seterile and not musical to me, anyway it s all subbtle difference ... |
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but it s taste..with rme we have excellent drivers