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___Weirdo_beardo
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Posted : Nov 13, 2001 13:24:57
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[b]Hey musicmakers....[/b]
We (Little Blue Men & co) are great admirers of Bob Moog and all the other manufacturers that once upon a time made grrrrrreat synthesizers.
(Korg, Roland, Seq. Circuits and so on......)
Personally, I feel that it's a lack of theese things today... Everything is so digital/software or simulated (blablablabla)....
Maybe that's what causes stiffness in some of the music I hear today. It feels like the music is no longer alive.... ?????
What do you think and feel about this??
/Ulf G. a.k.a. Weirdo Beardo - Leader of the analogue revolution..... =0)
[email]littlebluemen@swipnet.se[/email]
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___DJ_Leo
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Posted : Nov 13, 2001 14:18:42
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I think that the music is more acurate then ever with the computers of this days.
not long ago artists made music with their machines computer were very expensive and "out" because of that.
nower day computer are more accesable for all , cheaper and most of the sounds you can create on the comuter without the machines.
i think that nothing could replace in sound the machines , but there are quite good virtual machines that makes the sound very similar to those machines.
all in all - its hard to say whats right or wrong , there are allot of benefits in both sides and i think that it is depend on the artist what kinda work he want to do.
if the artist wants to play live afterall he will need machines.
if i had the choice to vote for or against the softwares machines then ill would go with the combination between them !!!
(IMO)
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___kaz
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Posted : Nov 13, 2001 14:57:19
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It's one thing to have a Moog-styled VST plugin, and it's a totally different thing to have a real Moog (the slides there are so nice :))...
It's changing, but lets admit it, the software and even the virtual analogs still have where to go... and the analogs are already there (albiet more expensive) |
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___bilbobagginz
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Posted : Nov 13, 2001 15:23:51
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even the most analog machine eventually will be digitalized on the CD, and as u listen to Kraftwerk's "Radioaktivitaet" on CD - it is alive, but not because it was done with analog instruments, but because humans played it (a little out of sync, a few unquantized notes etc.) - that is what made the difference.
today most of the people use midi sequencer.
then they quantise notes. (to 1/16 or 1/32)
and then they quantise notelengths.
this is what makes the sound stiff and artifitial.
boombooom
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___Weirdo_beardo
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Posted : Nov 13, 2001 15:27:09
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Quite correct....
the analogue's are in these day's very expensive, and the computer SW/virtuals are waaaaay more exact....
That's what is wrong! They are TO EXACT!...
glitches and the warmth of the transistor-based oscillators in a Moog is not something that can be simulated.... It needs to be cooked up by discrete components, warmth for approx. 1-2 hours before it can be taken in use for the pleasure of the music....
Fill my ears with moogsounds, and it will make me happy!
and you'll get off Bill Gates pocket by NOT have to use any kind of microsoft software.. ;-)
/W.Beardo - Moog User! (with Atari Computer) |
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___Weirdo_beardo
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Posted : Nov 13, 2001 15:32:16
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By the way....
Check out this link, all you proud Non-Windows-Users!!!!
http://www.interstel.de/index.html
Stay Cool!
/U. |
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___sAnDmAn
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Posted : Nov 13, 2001 15:53:55
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hello there ,
to acheve a full wormth like an analog system :i,e :
analog mixing desk , analog reel tape (tape haklata be slilim) ,analog fx units
on the virtual computer world
you need something much stronger then the code most of the audio companies are writng them in .nowdayz ...which means : more time testing codes (010101001)
stronger compuetrs ! , better soundcard ie: moredepth in bitrate and khz to fill the "pool" , you pay lot more for it ....
its well known in the pro comunity that there is no pure VIRTUAL analog like
EQ plug , TAPE EMULATOR (medame tape slilim ) , analog synth wormth ,
sure you can add 6db on the 30hz area to get a good wormth on the stomch but it just boosts the headroom of the ST out (i think (?) )
if you start from the begining with better source it payz latter ... (alla real moog)
there are very good new stuff to achive to wormth you were talking about
check your self ....
www.bombfactory.com
www.sonyplugins.com
www.mcdsp.com
all these are muchass $ras though ...
my 2c
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___bilbobagginz
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Posted : Nov 13, 2001 16:05:29
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don't know about ataris much, but m$ sux, true.
about the transistors ....fyi: the digital "oscilators" also work on transistors
( much smaller ones, even if the "analog modeling" is done by wavetable )
i don't think synthesizer must be television-set-sized, and believe with a help of the computer, musicians can more concentrate on music making and not getting electrified from time to time, and detuning the synth to the good old camertone is a ridiculous business (correct me).
you don't have to use M$ soft at all - for your audio/midi recording etc. u can use even free unixes like freebsd/linux or of course Mac (unneccessary with macOS - try Darwin/OS X/YellowDog), just choose a compatible audio i-face.
tsboomts tsts tsboom bom
bom ciao.
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___Weirdo_beardo
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Posted : Nov 13, 2001 16:47:33
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Well, I can see your point there about the television-sized synthesizers that have to be re-tuned every hour....
On the other hand, I prefer the large synthesizers before computers out of so many reasons...
I don't realy like the concept with the sound ASIC's and integrating them into a computer which have a clock in the RF-area aswell...
These digital noises are common sources of noise, cracks and digital distortion..
A common analogue audio tape (if you can live with a slight compression) have a much better SNR and a warmer sound aswell...
After working with several recorders such as Tascam, Fostex and the god of Analogue recording (Otari of course) I can say that experiences from both world have made my choice.
I stick to analogue for sure! (and I'm sure that you can hear that in our music if you listen at the wide dynamic range and the depth of the sound).
However, it is a extremly costfull process to get a studio like that, so when I can't be allocated in my studio, I carry the Reason on my homecomputer for fun! =) (even if it's not as fun as the real thing).
May the Schwarrrrrtz be with you...
/W.Beardo. |
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___guyn
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Posted : Nov 13, 2001 22:21:11
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hey ulf,
is your new participation in the forum saying we can expect some new stuff soon?
have to tell you, i miss those sounds of yours..
BOM,~tdme. |
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___Weirdo_beardo
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Posted : Nov 14, 2001 07:40:37
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Hey TDME...
Yes, you can expect a lot's of new sounds from me in the future...
Ups, gotta go to work now...
C'ya!
/W.Beardo. |
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___Kinetichonda
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Posted : Nov 20, 2001 02:15:36
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Well I do belive that my dream studio would have a 24Ch. 2" Studer recorder, AMS Neve 48/16/4 Mixer, and all those fun analogue keyboard and other instruments also Urei EQ's and Neumann miks. t that's so much mucho $$ that I have to make live with a computer and some shitty software. but one of these days..... |
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___Jeto
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Posted : Nov 23, 2001 10:31:18
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As Far As The Moog Sound...
I own a Mini Moog... and the sounds are really analog as you can get.. I mean the sounds are just incredible but in noways progression of music and changes of styles... most music is very minimal and doesnt require that sound...
Everything is going much more Digital and its more of a Collectors Item... For eample that synth will cost $1000 in todays market or more and for that much one could get a Virus B or something which does more for todays sound...
So it all depends on what you like...
The Moog is great for Goa tracks...
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___Weirdo_beardo
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Posted : Dec 4, 2001 08:51:20
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Ýeah, I think the Moog is great for most anything...
Mini Moog - For "Jean-Michel Jarre"-Oxygen-style-melodies...
Moog prodigy - Probably the best deeeeeep bass machine ever made...
Moog Liberation - Coolest Live-synth (Guitarr-synth-kind-of-strap-on)... =) grrrrrreat on stage..
Anything else??? Something I missed? ;-)
/W.Beardo. |
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___Quadd
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Posted : Dec 6, 2001 04:41:06
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I think that you missed one thing...
The biggest modular moog ever made was like 11 closets big,it costed 37.500 $ us like unique piece it was ,the guy who bought it hired one ancient employee from Mr robert Moog factory that had set up the all instrument tuning it for about 6 months till it was ready for action!!!
This thing weights 1 TON !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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