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Montoring? Active / Passive
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Plan_B
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 16:05
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Heyall!
I've searched the forum for monitor tips, but none of them was extansiveenough (IMO)...
so... Here goes:
1) Active / Passive?
2) I have a 5x5 m. room. How big the monitor i should get?
3) What Specs. a should i be looking for?
4) Assuming i get passive monitors, what about the amp?
I really need help.
Thank all ofyou.
p.s. - I know much of it is about personal taste and falvor... I wanna hear all kids of advices...
peace out ya'll...
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 16:16
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1) Active
2) As big as you can afford. But try and keep some spare money/time to spend on giving your room some accoustic treatment. That will be more effective in the end than just spending all your money on the most expensive monitor you can afford.
3) Well ... Most specs can't really be trusted especially if you are not intimate with what they exactly mean and how they are measured. I think you will be better off reading reviews, and most importantly, listening to the monitors to decide what you like.
4) Get one that is more powerfull than the stated wattage of your speakers. That will be better for the montiors. But I sincerely advise that you get active monitors instead.
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Psylopath
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 18:36
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i bought adam p11 monitors, and im really happy with them.
i compared them with genelecs, dynaudios, mackies, and many more, but they had the best sound (in this price-category)
but the best would be, if you go to a good music shop, and listen to a lot of monitors.
for the size of your room, i think nearfield monitors are enough. and wouldnt have much sense to buy midfileds or bigger ones.
and spare some money for some smale things like good cables, tools where you can place your monitors on, ...
boom psylo
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Meta
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 02:22
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I have a pair of Event 20/20 Passives - they sound great, but active monitors generally have a better bass range -
For example, the 20/20 BAS active monitors go 10hz lower than the same model passive monitors.
Of course, active monitors are generally double the price of passive monitors since you're buying a pair of self-contained amplifiers. I already had a professional grade Amp so it didn't make much economic sense to get actives.
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Plan_B
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 19:12
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hey!
thanks for all the help.
I've heard the LEV mnitors with a CROWN amp, and they sound really gr8 (Paaaive), and they have this dealwhere u get those monitors and a PHONIC amp - my experiencewith PHONIC is that it's a class F products... so i duuno. The price is quite low (about 3.5K nis), and it's a 6.25" drive.
nowdays i have M-audio SP-5. I'm quite into their sound (the bass is a bit too thin, but what can u expect from a 5" monitors...). What do u think about those?
and another thing, i quite know my way into technical specs., What should i be looking at?
Thanks alot...
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Meta
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 22:58
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talolard
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Posted : Apr 25, 2005 20:54
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why would anyone want to by passive monitors?
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s0ft
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Posted : Apr 25, 2005 22:35
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 26, 2005 02:40
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S0ft: To me passive monitors only makes sense with very high-end monitors. And I mean VERY high-end. Like when you get someone to design custom monitors with specific amps and speaker management modules to suite your taste. Otherwise I would always advise active monitors because the built-in amps and cross-over filters are designed/tweaked specificaly for the monitor's cabinet size and the specific transducers used in that model.
Plan_B: There are alot of things to look at. Most importantly though, you have to know how the manufacturers fudge the results by giving incomplete data.
They usualy include specs at different frequencies for different aspects of the speakers without precising this. They might use one frequency that gives them the highest SPL. Then use another frequency that gives them the least distortion, then another that gives them the highest sustained load. When they give you a max SPL figure is that before the speaker distorts or before the bass cones start ripping to pieces?
If a speaker manufacturer says that the frequency range of their monitors start at 40Hz, is that at 0dB? -1dB? -3dB -6dB? The same speakers might be flat (within 1 dB) down to 60Hz and then roll off slowly to 40Hz at -6 dB. It might also have a resonant bump at 50Hz which extends the frequency response and gives a full sound but muddies the definition.
And what about the time response? You can have a flat frequency response but the bass notes linger on a few milliseconds after the sound has stopped.
All the details of monitor specs are not easily explained in a quick forum post. Check out Sound on Sound monitor reviews. The people at SOS usually know what they are talking about.
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 17:09
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On 2005-04-24 22:58, Aeon wrote:
Always get 8" unless you have a subwoofer.
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for a 5x5 meter room, I wouldn't get more than 7" monitors. And it doesn't matter with or without a subwoofer - I mean, how low do you really want to go?
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fregle
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 18:42
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as low as humanly possible without creating unwanted bowel movements... 
seriously now... I think it is extremely important to have monitors with a decent bottom end... That's the hardest part to produce... I know that even the best monitors can only give u an idea of what the subbass really sounds like, but i like to have monitors that can at least give me a pointer about the sub, instead of just not being able to handle it... |
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psypox
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 22:33
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On 2005-04-24 22:58, Aeon wrote:
Always get 8" unless you have a subwoofer.
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where the f*** did you get that idea? lol
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psylevation
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 10:42
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but you must think about if this room is going to be permanent...?
I agree, Active would be your best bet, everythig is already set up for the speakers when they were designed.
I personally love my Behringer B2031A's, they were only $300 U.S. dollars(for a pair of active nearfields with 8.25" woofers and 1" tweater bi-amped) and I wouldn't trade them for anything. But thats because I know them.
Just remember... no matter what studio monitors you get, you will have to get to know how they are "supposed" to sound. My advice would be:
1. get something with a good frequency range
I'd say down to 50hz would be really good and something that "says" it has a flat frequency response.
2. try and get something that is durable and will last you a long time. and something that you can afford.
3. get something that looks good to your eyes, you'll spend alot of time looking at these things.
4. just decide on a pair and take them home. anytime you get the chance, play some of your favorite music closest to what you want to produce. Play it through those speakers and get to know how they "should" sound.
No matter what speakers you get you wont just be able to instantly make great sounding music on them, you'll have to get to know them.
hope that helps 
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Plan_B
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 12:04
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Hey!
thank u all for the insights! it's REALLY helpful
I just have a few moew quest.:
1)What is SPL?
2)What's the adress for sound on sound?
3)can u recommend or say what monitors you've gotand (that's a hard one ), what's their downsides?
Thank you!!!
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 14:20
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