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lookbeat
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Posted : Aug 31, 2003 08:08
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Thank you for the tips. Usualy i create 2 or more projects where the first one is a draft with vsts and another is a final mix where I use ONLY waves. The work in the last is only to mastering
surely this thing will save CPU on the final lap  --------------------------------------------
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cavedave
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 05:31
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I want to add that you can take a sound, copy sample to new track. phasereverse the copy. pan out the two samples to L-R. voila, broader sound.
This is what people use to make fake 3d sound in tvs and other...
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sub
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 17:31
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troglodyte,
shouldnt that phasereverse cause a cancelation between the left and right channel? |
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e-motion
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 17:47
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no i think, because left and right are separate channels so there's a wave track for each one (not the best way to explain... i could explain better if you were portuguese lol but i think you will understand).
BUT if the file is converted to mono prepare to listen to nothing  |
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sub
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 18:00
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hm..it must cause some sort of cancelation.
frequency cancelation |
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e-motion
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 18:12
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i don't know... just told what i think theorical cause i haven't tried it |
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john_c
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 19:43
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Yuli: why mono for percussion?? never heard of this. I thought mono was only good for the bass and kick. Surely things like bongos and snappy snares should be stereo? |
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cavedave
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Posted : Feb 2, 2006 06:09
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On 2006-02-01 18:00, sub wrote:
hm..it must cause some sort of cancelation.
frequency cancelation
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it has to be a stereo file. try it, if you get cancellation, then please pan out each track to each direction. or you could just change a little in eq to get another effect.. and the beat goes...
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 2, 2006 16:04
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On 2006-02-01 19:43, john_c wrote:
Yuli: why mono for percussion?? never heard of this. I thought mono was only good for the bass and kick. Surely things like bongos and snappy snares should be stereo?
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my favorite is to imitate reality.
easy to do so with mono samples
bongos i like to go like the mic is centered what meens that the middle hit will stay center while hits on the side of the bongo will get panned.
another method is smple seperation.
all bongos to the left all drums to the right.
i like it better spreaded like reality.. hihats left,ride right, small tomtom abit left,big tomtom right almost as the ride (the ride is more far so i make it more right). bass drum and snare middle.
great stereo picture can achivied from mono samples
and also u can make pseudo stero - that means that u play mono converted to stereo file.. right get all freqs between 400-100 left get 1000-2000 right 2000-3000 and so on.
easy way is logic fx (i cant remember the name now). or waves Q10 got preset that explain better then words 
the other way is
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texmex
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Posted : Feb 2, 2006 18:01
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On 2006-02-01 05:31, troglodyte wrote:
I want to add that you can take a sound, copy sample to new track. phasereverse the copy. pan out the two samples to L-R. voila, broader sound.
This is what people use to make fake 3d sound in tvs and other...
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The only problem with this method is that if you convert or playback it in mono (as might happen in some places like radio), the output is just silence. The tsabeat's method is better, though not that drastic.
Phase cancellation is an evil thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_cancellation) |
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john_c
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Posted : Feb 2, 2006 18:17
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tsabeat: nice tips! but, I dont understand why you can't do the same panning schemes with Stereo? Have I been seriously missing some knowledge regarding mono vs stereo in all these years producing? |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 2, 2006 19:21
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would using a combfilter be a good way to make stereo FX on mono signals? |
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 3, 2006 12:23
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On 2006-02-02 18:17, john_c wrote:
tsabeat: nice tips! but, I dont understand why you can't do the same panning schemes with Stereo? Have I been seriously missing some knowledge regarding mono vs stereo in all these years producing?
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may be.
there is diffrence between real stereo sounds and mono recorded as stereo.
if both right and left exacly the same.. it is realy mono. but sometimes diffrence is small and still makes something (drum loops is good way to understand this one.. just listen to stereo loop and convert to mono.. its getting boring stereo speaking)
synth sounds often have great stereo so convert it to mono will ruine it. even if convert back to stereo it will be poor since right and left will play the mono file. no real dynamics will be back after this rendering.
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cavedave
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Posted : Feb 3, 2006 18:51
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On 2006-02-01 05:31, troglodyte wrote:
I want to add that you can take a sound, copy sample to new track. phasereverse the copy. pan out the two samples to L-R. voila, broader sound.
This is what people use to make fake 3d sound in tvs and other...
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The only problem with this method is that if you convert or playback it in mono (as might happen in some places like radio), the output is just silence. The tsabeat's method is better, though not that drastic.
Phase cancellation is an evil thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_cancellation)
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Of course, but still you`d get "broaden" effect when doing it on a stereo file.
Psychoacoustic effects can be achieved this way.
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