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master bud
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Posted : Jun 2, 2007 13:27
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Thx for the input, it's very interesting. How can you make this in your home environment p.e. Ableton+stereo system?
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 2, 2007 16:57
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Lol ! its true, but lets not forget that producers do not set up The PA, thats the engineers job.
Most producers are not any different from any "random" djs (hehe!). thats not really their job to know about this.
By the way I never agreed with the systematic terminology given to the electonic musician. A Producer is not a composer or a dj. Its the guy who is in charge of the production, the final product, the record. He organises recordings sessions, hires a sound engineer , pays musicians,take decisions regarding the production, handle the budjet.ect..ect....
Composing on a computer does not make you a producers in my eyes. Normally the producer is hired by the record company to do a specific job.
Now its is true that some musicians are also producers due to the fact that they would conver most the thing I mentioned above.
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This equals to press mono on the stereo buss section of a console. Which I might add is necessary to make sure there is no phase problem. |
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 2, 2007 18:10
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I compose with ableton but mix with cubase, the reason is I find cubase better for the mixing task.
In cubase a quick way to do it, is to put the "surround pan" vst plugin as an insert on the masterbuss, and put the left and right on the Y axis. you'll still get 2 signals but with the same content.
With ableton your only chance to do get a mono signal within Live, is to find a vst plugin that will mix a stereo sound.
The best way I think, is to have a big knob or something similar and use the mono button
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koalakube
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Jun 3, 2007 05:18
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On 2007-06-02 13:27, master bud wrote:
@Jikkenteki
Thx for the input, it's very interesting. How can you make this in your home environment p.e. Ableton+stereo system?
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I have a mixer and just pan both channels to the same speaker so I'm not sure on software substitutes at the moment, but I seem to recall some plug ins that can get the job done ala some of the other suggestions.
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master bud
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Posted : Jun 3, 2007 11:02
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THX for all the answers. I gonna try Cubase, I guess. |
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shachar
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 12:06
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On 2007-06-02 16:57, Seppa wrote:
This equals to press mono on the stereo buss section of a console. Which I might add is necessary to make sure there is no phase problem.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 17:03
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On 2007-06-02 16:57, Seppa wrote:This equals to press mono on the stereo buss section of a console. Which I might add is necessary to make sure there is no phase problem.
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The 'mono' button on most mixers does something different to this - it sends a mix of both channels to both speakers, rather than send a mix of both channels to only one speaker. This might sound like a subtle difference but the image presented by only one speaker is different to the 'phantom' mono image presented by two speakers with identical signals. Personally I much prefer single-speaker mono because using just one speaker removes all the interference problems you get with the sound from two speakers bouncing off the walls, desk, etc., making single-speaker mono sound more solid and reliable to me. Unfortunately I can't use it in my own productions - only in mastering - because my soundcard doesn't have that facility and I don't use a mixer, but if I could I'd use it all the time.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 18:38
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Place Waves S1 on master output
Set width to 0, rotate hard left or right, reduce input gain by 3.0db (panning law)
bypass for on/off.
Or am I missing something?
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 18:41
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I beleive you can. I recall you use cubase for production. As I mentioned it before you can send a mix signal to both speaker in cubase:
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then all you need it to do is shut one speaker or pan hard left on the master fader.
so you shouldn't get any interferances from the walls
how's that sound ?  |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 22:42
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I beleive you can. I recall you use cubase for production. As I mentioned it before you can send a mix signal to both speaker in cubase:
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| In cubase a quick way to do it, is to put the "surround pan" vst plugin as an insert on the masterbuss, and put the left and right on the Y axis. you'll still get 2 signals but with the same content. |
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then all you need it to do is shut one speaker or pan hard left on the master fader.
so you shouldn't get any interferances from the walls
how's that sound ?
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I can't use this in production because I mix multiple channels through my Yamaha DS2416 soundcard, ie. the SX stereo master buss output and several other channels (eg. kick and bass subgroup -> analog compressor send + return, DSP FX sends, etc) are sent separately to the soundcard, where they are mixed together. You can't put a plugin on the master output of the soundcard!
In mastering though I use the Waves S1 as described by Speakafreaka (btw I heard your tune with Andrew recently, sounded nice!).
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 6, 2007 01:24
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can't use this in production because I mix multiple channels through my Yamaha DS2416 soundcard, ie. the SX stereo master buss output and several other channels (eg. kick and bass subgroup -> analog compressor send + return, DSP FX sends, etc) are sent separately to the soundcard, where they are mixed together. You can't put a plugin on the master output of the soundcard! |
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hey, how is this sound card, I use to work on the o2r, how are the onboard fx,are they any good.
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Was that addressed to me or Speakafreaka? Cause I've never worked with Andrew.
cheers
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 6, 2007 02:13
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can't use this in production because I mix multiple channels through my Yamaha DS2416 soundcard, ie. the SX stereo master buss output and several other channels (eg. kick and bass subgroup -> analog compressor send + return, DSP FX sends, etc) are sent separately to the soundcard, where they are mixed together. You can't put a plugin on the master output of the soundcard! |
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hey, how is this sound card, I use to work on the o2r, how are the onboard fx,are they any good. |
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The DS2416 is an 02R on a single card so the FX are exactly the same as you're already familiar with... I tend to use only the Early Reflections and a stereo delay or a reverb... it sucks that Steinberg broke the automation for it in Cubase SX; I suppose I should just be grateful that it works at all!
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Was that addressed to me or Speakafreaka? Cause I've never worked with Andrew.
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Well it's unlikely I was talking to you, then!   I was talking to Speakafreaka.
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Speakafreaka
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