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Elad
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Posted : May 27, 2007 13:02
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i found alot of the gloss or shine in the mix disapear as soon i get them to "proper" stereowidth.
the only reason why in arguing on this 
perhaps have the track left channel right channel and mono channel is good way to do it ?
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PoM
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Posted : May 27, 2007 15:13
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open a bit more your monitors maybe it can help |
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Upavas
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Posted : May 27, 2007 21:31
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AvS
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Posted : May 27, 2007 22:00
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Personally i dont give a damn about surround.
Its not worth the enormous effort it takes to mix in surround. |
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Honguito
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Posted : May 28, 2007 04:15
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I can imagine it being massively psychedelic to experience a musically and technically phat 5.1 mixed tune on a 5.1 sound system!! 
I'd be able to go as far as stabbing people in the clubs just to ensure that I'd get to dance from the optimal listening position... Fuck plur and karma!! 
No but seriously... The clubs don't play stereo because of the problems it has for the listening experience for the crowd. I guess the problems are the same if the clubs would use a 5.1 system. The only place that I can come up with where 5.1 would make sense is home environments. Today it isn't especially common with people having 5.1 listening systems in their homes. And thank god it's that way. Mixing in 5.1 would be a HAZZLE! And we would have to make sure the track still is mono compatible... omg, huge hazzle!  |
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Elad
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Posted : May 28, 2007 11:22
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i still dont ses why in club there is no stereo + mono for peaple in the corners...
who play in clubs anywayz.. if i would i would also cut my kick 20hz more.. hmm.. actualy seems i play 10 outdoor for 1 time in club.. so it male sense for me but i find also phase problem in outdoor.. less with my music but in general.. that i susspect is stupid placement of the speaker usualy...
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shachar
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Posted : May 28, 2007 12:36
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alot of systems in clubs are mono, internet broadcasts..mp3`s etc...
anyway.. there is no mix that sounds the same in mono & stereo but...if your mix will sound better in mono, it will sound better in stereo.
check out other release tracks in stereo /mono.
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Honguito
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Posted : May 28, 2007 17:19
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On 2007-05-28 11:22, tsabeat wrote:
actualy seems i play 10 outdoor for 1 time in club.. so it male sense for me but i find also phase problem in outdoor.. less with my music but in general.. that i susspect is stupid placement of the speaker usualy...
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lame question but are the sound systems most oftenly stereo in outdoor psy events? |
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koalakube
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Posted : May 28, 2007 18:54
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Most of the PA in clubs and outdoor parties(id say 90%) are mono.
Having 2 mono (L and R) doesnt make a stereo if the signal is identical.
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punkah
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Posted : May 28, 2007 19:08
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man, like Pom said...
its probably the Unison @ Virus patch...
place a Paz Analyzer or any other inspector in the channel and change its setting/amount/phase delay
Unison (called Fat in Vanguard) is instant phase problem.
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : May 28, 2007 19:18
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On 2007-05-28 11:22, tsabeat wrote:
actualy seems i play 10 outdoor for 1 time in club.. so it male sense for me but i find also phase problem in outdoor.. less with my music but in general.. that i susspect is stupid placement of the speaker usualy...
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lame question but are the sound systems most oftenly stereo in outdoor psy events?
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yap 90% of parties i played so far...
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koalakube
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Posted : May 29, 2007 06:51
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On 2007-05-28 19:18, tsabeat wrote:
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On 2007-05-28 17:19, Honguito wrote:
lame question but are the sound systems most oftenly stereo in outdoor psy events?
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yap 90% of parties i played so far...
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ehhmmm.Ok lets see if you get this:
What you call stereo is what many people mistake for stereo sound systems.
Only because there are two channels and a "stereo" console is connected to the front of the system, and stereo amplifiers and equalizers are used throughout the system,it doesnt mean you are having a reproduction of the sound in stereo.
What is missing from most of these systems is uniform coverage of the entire listening area, and a minimal level and phase response difference for each channel's coverage of the listening area.
To achieve proper loudspeaker coverage to replicate a stereo image in a large venue, it is necessary to have a loudspeaker system for each channel that can provide uniform coverage of the entire listening area while maintaining the directional cues.
This is a very expensive, and sometimes impossible proposition.
The main problems in having a TRUE STEREO system are for example:
Left Channel only - floor coverageTwo channel systems usually suffer from having half the people in the listening area only hear half the audio played, which makes two channel systems a poor choice for music reinforcement.
A large portion of the listeners hear a completely different music mix from other listeners. This is an all-too-common oversight in venues that are intended for music and entertainment, even high profile venues where they deserve better system designs. It tends to be a common misconception brought forward by people with a background in portable or live sound systems.
Hence,what you are calling stereo system is nothing else than a 2MONO PA.
If anything i worte still sound obscure to you,feel free to ask.
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shachar
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Posted : May 29, 2007 13:41
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b.t.w most people @ the party stand infront of one speaker and not stand in the "sweetspot" in the center.
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koalakube
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Posted : Jun 2, 2007 07:30
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On 2007-05-29 13:41, shachar wrote:
b.t.w most people @ the party stand infront of one speaker and not stand in the "sweetspot" in the center.
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which is the reason why 90% of the PA are mono.
Too many poeple out there calling themselves producers and lacking of simple concepts as stereo/mono. |
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Jun 2, 2007 07:59
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About a year and a half ago I revived a fairly common mix down technique from back in my analog recording / band days (back when I was finishing high school, I helped a family friend build a recording studio and I got free use of the studio whenever there weren't customers booked in). No great mystery here, but when you have finished your writing and recording and are starting you final mix down, throw both the left and right sides into one speaker and do your first several passes in mono. Once it sounds good there, return to stereo and then generally all you have to do is some fine tuning.
This is a pretty common technique in the music industry at large and I used to do it all the time before, so why I stopped doing it for so many years while doing trance is beyond me. But the moment I started doing it again, my mixes improved quite drastically in my opinion.
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