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mono in cubase?

martyn
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Posted : Mar 1, 2005 18:06
I know that it would be important to listen to my tracks in mono sometimes to check if anything is ok if it would be played on a mono sytem (radio, pa... no, unfortunately my tracks are not that good yet but I'd like to test them anyway ;-) )

How do you guys do that? I work with cubase.

Thanx in advance,
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fregle
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Posted : Mar 1, 2005 21:16
save a stereo mixdown and convert it to mono in wavelab or a program like that? Dunno if u can do it in cubase...
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 16:17
Assuming everything in you Cubase system comes out of the stereo master buss, you can insert a Waves S1 (or any other stereo enhancement plugin) onto the master buss and set the 'Width' control to zero; this will put the track in mono. Then you can just turn the plugin on and off when you want to check it.
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br0d
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 17:48
Technically the only true mono is when you split a mono signal out to a single speaker because even dual mono has two sound sources. So do what Colin said to an external bus, and then only run it to one speaker. Picky yeah, but I notice the difference between my current mono setup and the old cubase "pseudo mono..."

Martyn, mono is awesome. Try mixing in mono, just once, at a level just below conversation level (except for bass.) Then when you can hear every little element of the song, tap it back out to stereo and crank it up. Instant power, no ear bleedy. Directionality and Fletcher Munson, in full effect....the ironic thing about mixing is that power is created from weakness and weakness from power.
fregle
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 17:51
hey tnx br0d, i'll trie it Didn't know it was that important...
martyn
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 23:44
Whow! Thank you veeery much for your tips! I'll try this, thanx also for the mono-mixing trick, br0d, this sounds interesting too. What do you mean with "external bus"? Do you prefer another method than putting the Waves S1 plugin into the stereo master bus?

Have a nice evening,
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 00:31
If you have a balance control on your amp, you can get what br0d's talking about (which I wholeheartedly agree with, although it's not something I do myself as I have my own techniques for avoiding ear bleedy) by turning it fully to one side after you've turned on S1, and then just listening to the one speaker. If you have active speakers or an amp with no balance control you'll be able to get the same effect by turning one of the speakers off or turning down one channel on the amp.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Morax
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 12:22
why waves... poor cpu...

cubase stereoexpender
Triplex
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 15:27
press F3 for mixer, go to the master channel and right click on the panning slider. there are 3 available modes. check either Stereo Dual Panner or Stereo Combined Panner. the single slider has now become 2 sliders. you can drag them both to the center, or you can just click on the <L> and type C or 0 (zero) and on the <R> and type C or 0 (zero).

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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 18:58
That works - and you can even pan them both to the same side to get true mono - but it's a little inconvenient; personally I'd rather just press one button and get instant mono, than fiddle around with the alternate panning modes.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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br0d
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Posted : Mar 4, 2005 18:37
yeah, exactly...you can always just pan your actual stereo set, i just happen to use an alt mix mono speaker because i wanna take advantage of the opportunity to have a different kind of speaker. ie, my monitors are tannoy, but my mono is a shelf speaker.
i guess auratone is the standard but they can be hard to come by since they are no longer made.

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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 4, 2005 18:52
I have a cheap JVC mini hi-fi that I use for a second set of speakers - they give a totally different impression of the sound from my Richard Allan RA8 monitors - but as I use a DS2416 soundcard (for which support in SX has been broken since v1 such that panning a DS channel away from centre renders it impossible to subsequently pan it back to the middle) monitored through an old Yamaha Promix-01 digital mixer it's impossible for me to get true mono.

Anyone got any ideas or suggestions?
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