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Mixing using spectral analyzers
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:30
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I never told you to shut up, i've never claimed to be a teacher i just like to share what i know, clearly you know way more. I'm sorry if I offended you. |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:35
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On 2011-04-12 22:27, aciduss wrote:
i just think can be a lot more flexible on 'your opinions' when this discussion is about the actual usage of analyzers i find it really strange the "just don't use it" advice.
peace
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I never said not to use it but if you look at what the guy actually wrote in his 1st post he made the point that because he did not have access to a studio and good sound quality(due to the fact he cant turn up the volume and do not have a proper soundcard) he wanted to rely on a spectral analyzer to get the mix going. To me that is a very weird approach and by that I advised him instead to get a good pair of realistic headphones (AKG - I even provided a link) and a good soundcard which will take him way further than relying on a spectral analyzer to get things right.
That was my original advice based on his original point to get better mixes going.
And then I was instantly told off by the usual suspects which I do not accept as I do feel my advice was valid (I have the feeling they just go at me because of old grudges) 
I dont see a better way to explain it to you. If you still don't get the point there is no way I can get you to understand it (you: speaking in general)
I respect his wish to use a spectral analyzer. Heck why would I care anyway. It's his choice. But I got good advices when I was more "green" and I feel I can provide some good valid advice too. If I am allowed that is
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:36
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On 2011-04-12 22:30, aciduss wrote:
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| Sorry for all the off-topic piXan but i hate being told to shut up by certain teachers here. |
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I never told you to shut up, i've never claimed to be a teacher i just like to share what i know, clearly you know way more. I'm sorry if I offended you.
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Sorry if I made it seem like it was you i accused of trying to shut me off. It was not you i was referring to.
And I don't say I know more. I learn every day too. Making music is a never ending learning process.
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:38
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On 2011-04-12 22:27, aciduss wrote:
Why bother making music if you don't know how to?
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its not theorie that make a good musician or sound engineer. you can learn all you want, buy everyhting you want... some guys with golden ears will still sound better using crappy set ups . |
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psyraal
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:47
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:58
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that not ego, why you guys have to see ego everywhere,is it hard to accept someone know better and have way more experience (beat agency).
i guess it s a reason why many good producers left this forum section or many big names just don t register.. cause guys just dont accept knowledge here and always think it s ego, it s like a complex of inferiority i don t know but it s strange. |
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psyraal
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 23:07
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 23:47
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On 2011-04-12 22:25, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-04-12 22:22, Speakafreaka wrote:
Guys, I'm not seeing how your perfectly valid opinion that you don't like spectral analyzers helps anyone to use them better.
If you'd wind your necks in a little, maybe we'd all learn a little more?
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I do agree but the point is that this off-topic debate could have been prevented if I was not being told to shut up. I made my point because i honestly think he is wasting his time looking at a spectral analyzer instead of just going by ears and i stick with it. Nothing else. I've all along said I respect your opinion but disagree. Instead of telling me to shut up you could just respect my opinion and disagree. I don't see how horrible that is.
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Well, fair play, I think you've made your opinion quite clear, repeatedly.
If you have anything fresh to bring to the conversation at hand, I'll look forward to reading it.
I may not agree with you, but that doesn't mean I want you shut up (which reading this last post you seem to think I've done ... ? )
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 23:51
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On 2011-04-12 23:47, Speakafreaka wrote:
Well, fair play, I think you've made your opinion quite clear, repeatedly.
If you have anything fresh to bring to the conversation at hand, I'll look forward to reading it.
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Ditto 
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Medea
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 23:56
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Ears are a good tool, but they are harder to focus. Because emotions and inspiration have a strong masking effect and are triggered via ears while producing
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 13, 2011 01:14
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from what i have read on the thread ,the conclusion to me is some find it usefull to get visual feeback to help in case something was not noticed cause of tired ears or cause the monitors dont show a good reprensation of all the spectrum , in that case it may limit the errors.
the cons are you can t mix in a optimal way what you don t hear , each tracks is differents,each sound is .
making some "analyzer rules" like the highs should be there,at this level blah blah... would be mixing with a very closed mind to me, very limiting. |
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piXan
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Posted : Apr 13, 2011 05:03
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On 2011-04-13 01:14, PoM wrote:
from what i have read on the thread ,the conclusion to me is some find it usefull to get visual feeback to help in case something was not noticed cause of tired ears or cause the monitors dont show a good reprensation of all the spectrum , in that case it may limit the errors.
the cons are you can t mix in a optimal way what you don t hear , each tracks is differents,each sound is .
making some "analyzer rules" like the highs should be there,at this level blah blah... would be mixing with a very closed mind to me, very limiting.
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yes, exactly. im not looking for instant recipes. just a little insight in how you use these visual feedback. i will use it , and i will also look into better acostics when possible.
cheers
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 13, 2011 05:37
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On 2011-04-13 01:14, PoM wrote:
from what i have read on the thread ,the conclusion to me is some find it usefull to get visual feeback to help in case something was not noticed cause of tired ears or cause the monitors dont show a good reprensation of all the spectrum , in that case it may limit the errors.
the cons are you can t mix in a optimal way what you don t hear , each tracks is differents,each sound is .
making some "analyzer rules" like the highs should be there,at this level blah blah... would be mixing with a very closed mind to me, very limiting.
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Completely agree.
Would also add on a personal note, when I was learning really really precise EQ that having a visual reference to tie to what I was hearing massively improved my ability to hear how well balanced a part was overall.
Personally, I find it far easier to remember visual information that auditory information. So when it comes to say, fine tuning the individual harmonics of a bass line, I still reach for the analyzer, even though I do not need it to hear what is wrong. I just find it easier and quicker to work this way. If I'm trying to match the overall spectra of a kick and bass line in broad terms, I also find it really speeds up the process to route the kick and bass into an analyzer and overlay them.
To emphasise ... I'm more than capable of doing this without an analyzer, but I personally find it quicker and less grindy to do it with this tool.
Its like getting a second opinion on what you hear - one that is absolutely accurate and totally unbiased. And that can only ever be a good thing to my mind ... of course, as the producer we are all quite free to dismiss this information and go with our gut, but personally, thats a decision I'd rather take with that information.
Others mileage may vary. This isn't something I'd consider to be 'wrong', I'm just trying to clarify my own personal position. I'm not trying to convince anyone or change their working habits. I'm just explaining how I work with analyzers.
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