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Mixing using spectral analyzers
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 21:20
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It seem to me you guys are bitching because I and a few others does not agree with you.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 21:42
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I'm kind of with Speaka on this one...
It's not a thread about debating whether or not spectral analyzers are worth using...it's about how to use them properly.
Ears are the best tools we have, sure. But considering that so many of us monitor in less than ideal conditions isn't it true that our ears can lie to us?
My primary use for spectral analyzers these days is to see where a sound lives so that I can EQ it and take out unnecessary frequencies. For instance if I'm trying to have two leads work together but not mask each other I put their analyzers and EQs next to each other and tweak about.
It seems to me that information is good to have 
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Ascension
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 21:45
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Yeah there are plenty of great analysis tools out there, but in the end, none provide human perception, just a waveform readout which the user has to understand and translate into something useful. I'm just saying this as an important thing to keep in mind because when viewed like this, using an analyzer to mix a track is almost useless unless all you care about is acheiving a certain loudness/frequency balance, rather than human perception of sound/frequencies.
I use an EQ with a spectrum on it, for all my individual sounds and occasionally look at the one on my master when mixing down, but I don't really use it as a mix tool, just a reference. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 21:54
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On 2011-04-12 20:58, Speakafreaka wrote:
I thought this thread was:
'How should I use a spectral analyzer?'
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'Should I use a spectral analyzer?'
It looked to me like that decision had already been taken irrespective of our opinions on that issue.
Ascenion - many analyzers allow multiple inputs from different parts of the mix so you can see very preceisely how they interact with each other. This is very useful. You can use your ears to establish where there is a problem, and then your eyes to establish exactly how and why it occurs ... whilst training your ears at being better to pick it out at the same time. Personally, I find that I don't run a spectral analyzer on the master out, but run spectral analyzers on around (wild guess) half of the channels of the mix.
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BA stop trying to be so right all the time, it makes you look too stubborn rather than someone who is really trying to make a point... the topic is about mixing WITH analyzers which is very helpful when you CAN'T TRUST YOUR EARS, either because the room, the speakers or not enough experience.
Ears will be used anyhow... analyzers are just another tool which serves its purpose. You simply can't advice someone less experienced than you to mix as you do.
Human perception is subjective and can be biased for many reasons, personally I trust my ears more with everyday it passes but sometimes I like to check my mixes on analyzers and I know many experienced producers who do this, specially for removing frequency issues that sometimes it is hard to spot for the not so experienced. |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 21:56
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analyzer don t tell you if it sound good or bad, ears are so much more precise for fine tuning. the margin of error is very big with analyzer compared to ears, it s something to keep in mind imo.
i guess some like it more as a visual feedback of what they ear, more than trusting what they see more than how it sound. in that case it make the thing almost uselss as a mixing tool, its just there to make you feel better and cause it look good. |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:06
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I must be hallucinating. Now a few so called "experts" start to bitch over my advice (I am not alone on this advice/opinion here). aciduss you should really take a deep breath or a chill-pill and stop telling me what to do all the time. You start to sound like an annoying teacher.
I totally disagree with your point about how amazing the tool is. Why is it so hard for you to accept that I disagree and accept that I will give the guy my input on what I feel he is better of with? You opinion is not better or worse than mine. Just different! It's AN OPINION... Live with it's and stop your nagging
Otherwise you appear as having an agenda against me (which I am sure this is all about) rather than respecting my opinion and advice. www.beatagency.dk |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:10
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why bother mixing when you can t trust your ears? it s like painting blind |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:11
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On 2011-04-12 22:10, PoM wrote:
why bother mixing when you can t trust your ears?
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Watch out you also get attacked by the "experts" here if you continue to disagree with them
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:16
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the problem with mixing like this ,in the extreme it push even mor to cloned music and production direction. |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:17
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On 2011-04-12 22:16, PoM wrote:
the problem with mixing like this ,in the extreme it push even mor to cloned music and production direction.
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I can't wait to hear these "experts" music. I just hope it's something unique
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:22
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Guys, I'm not seeing how your perfectly valid opinion that you don't like spectral analyzers helps anyone to use them better.
If you'd wind your necks in a little, maybe we'd all learn a little more?
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:22
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On 2011-04-12 21:42, willsanquil wrote:
I'm kind of with Speaka on this one...
It's not a thread about debating whether or not spectral analyzers are worth using...it's about how to use them properly.
Ears are the best tools we have, sure. But considering that so many of us monitor in less than ideal conditions isn't it true that our ears can lie to us?
My primary use for spectral analyzers these days is to see where a sound lives so that I can EQ it and take out unnecessary frequencies. For instance if I'm trying to have two leads work together but not mask each other I put their analyzers and EQs next to each other and tweak about.
It seems to me that information is good to have
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That's cool but again I did not start any bitching. I gave him my honest opinion why I feel he is wasting his time with a spectral analyzer and so did other people here. I do not see anyone jumping their backs. Apparently my innocent, but straight from the heart, opinion was enough for the Werewolves to come out and play. It'¨s getting soooooo predictable
Sorry for all the off-topic piXan but i hate being told to shut up by certain teachers here.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:25
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On 2011-04-12 22:22, Speakafreaka wrote:
Guys, I'm not seeing how your perfectly valid opinion that you don't like spectral analyzers helps anyone to use them better.
If you'd wind your necks in a little, maybe we'd all learn a little more?
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I do agree but the point is that this off-topic debate could have been prevented if I was not being told to shut up. I made my point because i honestly think he is wasting his time looking at a spectral analyzer instead of just going by ears and i stick with it. Nothing else. I've all along said I respect your opinion but disagree. Instead of telling me to shut up you could just respect my opinion and disagree. I don't see how horrible that is.
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:27
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I've never said i was an expert as you certainly are with all those mixing years under your belt.
I respect your opinion but I don't find its place in a thread about mixing with the damn thing... it is ok if you don't like it but why take the topic down that road when the guy is asking for some advice on how to use them.
And your analogy PoM is way exaggerated... it's clear that ear experience is something that develops through the years a complete noob to audio wouldn't know what to listen for in the first place that doesn't mean he won't gain something for attempting. Also as i said, one can't trust what is listened sometimes because acoustics or not so nice speakers; still we do what we can with what we have, right?
Why bother making music if you don't know how to?
pfff...
I'm chilled BA, nothing personal there and i'm no teacher at all neither an expert don't know why you think that... i just think can be a lot more flexible on 'your opinions' when this discussion is about the actual usage of analyzers i find it really strange the "just don't use it" advice.
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 22:28
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On 2011-04-12 22:22, Speakafreaka wrote:
Guys, I'm not seeing how your perfectly valid opinion that you don't like spectral analyzers helps anyone to use them better.
If you'd wind your necks in a little, maybe we'd all learn a little more?
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agree it doesn't help much but i wanted to make it clear this tool should be used with caution. |
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