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Cerebral Eclipse
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Posted : Sep 24, 2014 15:53:44
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Hi all.
Im trying to work on my mixing skills (which currently suck).
Read a lot of stuff about it but i still have one question -
When you mix, you're supposed to arrange the audio spectrum between your synths\samples\sounds so they won't overlap right?
so I get how for example I would cut the lows out of my snare - because the lows of the kick will take over..
But what about the parts in the track where you want the snare playing alone? it would sound thin and lame without it's lower part!..
So what do you do when you mix? do you automate the eq? just deal with the snare being flat on its own?
Really lost here..
BTW, thought of taking a course in mixing which isn't cheap - would you say a course is required or its something that just requires experience and no amount of studying in a classroom will give me?
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supergroover
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Posted : Sep 24, 2014 18:03
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If you only have the snare you could bring back some lower freqs. But usually it won't sound thin.
You could do this for example by a highpass filter on an eq. Bypass it when there is no bass or kick playing.
A course is not necesarry, but you could learn alot of things in a short time. So if you have the money. Why not? But youtube is full of tutorials.. so you can learn it all yourself.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 24, 2014 19:46
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routingwithin
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Posted : Sep 25, 2014 10:32
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I would automate the EQ. Bypass would be a drastic change and may be too surprising,, so as the kick fades so the EQ on the snare opens up the bass frequencies..
Yes youtube does have many tuts but IMHO a paid course would be 10 times more rewarding. It's in knowing the minor details where you truly find the understanding.
Watching videos can be frustrating, cause so many guys repeat the same cliche'd advice and many don't know how to compose professional results- which won't really help to grasp the whole picture...
Level up by doing the course and stand out a bit more from the masses. U won't regret it.
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Upavas
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Posted : Sep 25, 2014 11:34
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the real art is not to mix so nothing overlaps, the real art is to mix so everything sounds good together, so that everything has it's place. For this you have eq where you can like Colin says use shelves, notches and also bring out frequencies more or cut other frequencies off, and then you have your 180 degrees stereo field... imagine an orchestra where you can hear every single instrument! I never automate eq's save for a filtersweep or something like that, other than that I get it to where it sits right and harmonizes with everything else...
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PRO-Gram
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Posted : Sep 25, 2014 14:41
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+1 with Colin, sound selection is critical, choose sounds and notation which complement each other, its not about sectioning off every element in its own part of the freq spectrum this is unnatural and pretty impossible.
In relation to the snare you dont need below 100hz for sure and you can use a low shelf rather than cut if you need more low presence.
For me mixing is the part of production which separates those at the top and those learning, it is an artform and takes many years to perfect, so dont be hard on yourself.
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Cerebral Eclipse
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Posted : Sep 25, 2014 19:39
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I absolutely agree it's an art. Less the kind of creative, go-wild, art but still an art
I just find myself mixing a track and a day later doing it all over after saying to myself that it sucks..
But even from this brief thread I learned something new - I use only peaking EQs and not shelving - will start incorporating that.
I guess its a matter of experience and messing around with numbers an dsmall details, and if it was easy it wouldn't be an art..
thank you all for the help..
If you want to hear the shite mixing im doing right now you can view my latest track here (a soundcloud version coming soon):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy3BD1Idzeg
(this is honestly not self-promotion, would just like to learn more - im not selling any of my music or making a profit off it.. ) |
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PRO-Gram
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Posted : Sep 26, 2014 00:40
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Pretty respectable tune there man, to be honest i didnt check on monitors, but its usually the low end that requires the most work (hardest to mix) and then everything else mixed around that.
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Cerebral Eclipse
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Posted : Sep 26, 2014 19:49
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Thanks man
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Posted : Sep 27, 2014 11:53
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wirakocha
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Posted : Sep 27, 2014 23:49
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Cerebral Eclipse
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Posted : Oct 7, 2014 09:52
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Thanks
I am actually familiar with Katz's stuff, for some reason I didn't finish reading it (secrets of the mastering eng.). WIll get back to it.
Thanks again for the links |
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