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Raoul V
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Posted : May 15, 2006 09:59
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Ok so we all know that the key that music is written in defines the overall feel of the song, and we know that if my bass is running in Fm and my lead in say d major, its gonna sound like someones strangling a cat...
but when dj's mix tunes, they sound so perfect like they were meant to be one, why doesnt it matter at that point that the key of one track is not in unison with the other track!!
I have been racking my brains over this... say a guitarist is jamming in a key all other people who are jamming with him would play in his key or a variation of it... but if the bassist starts playing in a different key it just wont 'fit'.
so why doesnt that apply when a dj is mixing tunes?? |
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : May 15, 2006 10:02
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it does apply , maybe u havent heard sets where a track following the previous track isint in key @ all whatsoever , but the dj mixed the tracks so well , that you dont bother too much about it ...
and if your talking about psy trance ... 95% is made in the minor scale , so its not much to worry about anyways . |
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Raoul V
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Posted : May 15, 2006 10:17
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On 2006-05-15 10:02, WAVELOGIX wrote:
it does apply , maybe u havent heard sets where a track following the previous track isint in key @ all whatsoever , but the dj mixed the tracks so well , that you dont bother too much about it ...
and if your talking about psy trance ... 95% is made in the minor scale , so its not much to worry about anyways .
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im pretty sure i have heard hundreds of dj sets where the only clash i hear is in the beat matching not key matching...
maybe it has something to do with the fact that alot of trance, like jazz is in minor scales, and its happening so fast u dont realise... but if i was to play two tracks at random and cut the bass of one and the mids and highs of the others, and play it loud it would still sound fine... or unnoticable... why??
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Meta
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Posted : May 15, 2006 11:40
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That's just part of DJ mixing. You pick tunes that are in the same or complimentary keys when possible.
Sometimes that isn't possible, so DJ's use the bass cut knob. The bass cut knob on most DJ mixers strip out almost all of the "tone" quality of the track being played, so on the track being mixed in you only make out the hi hats etc.
When a new measure starts, they cut the outgoing track bass and drop in the new one.
Also most tracks don't have tons of obvious melodies at obvious "mix points". You'll hear a melody in the intro, then it cuts out as the kick and bass come in, then doesn't come back till later.
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dtd
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Posted : May 15, 2006 19:12
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interesting question. a question to you, aeon: but even if we're lucky finding tracks in the same key...after we pitch the tempo of one track, our tracks won't match in pitch (for example the fundamental tone (pitch) of the bassline). |
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Trip-
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Posted : May 15, 2006 19:48
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the changes between +-5 bpm affects the pitch in a subtle way - nothing that will shift a half tone.
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dtd
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Posted : May 16, 2006 00:12
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jep that's true, trip. wonder if it still could introduce a certain amount of 'dissonance' at the cent level which could be perceived as not very harmonic? well maybe in the noise of party and dancing and all the rhythmic content it might not be very hearable or disturbing. |
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TopDown
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Posted : May 16, 2006 12:04
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On 2006-05-16 00:12, dtd wrote:
jep that's true, trip. wonder if it still could introduce a certain amount of 'dissonance' at the cent level which could be perceived as not very harmonic? well maybe in the noise of party and dancing and all the rhythmic content it might not be very hearable or disturbing.
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Wow ! Thats the third time this week I hear that "noize of the party" excuse in "music creation" section. Its the fuckin key - in open air you should hear it from a kilometer !
By the way its a dj set, nobody expects or even want it to stay in the same key for 3 hours. I mean your stupidiest audience is fully aware that tracks or songs last for 10 minutes maximum. |
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e-motion
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Posted : May 16, 2006 12:47
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dissonance is normal while mixing. that's why you easyly feel the key change when a new track is mixed. if well mixed and the track is well choosen the key change is uplifting  |
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : May 20, 2006 14:55
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i personally have come across sets , where the trk to follow wasnt in key @ all , but still was being mixed and was apparently noticable to me ... maybe my ears are too musical .. ?
other than that , yeah .... complimentary tunes are picked and music to have as least as dissonance as possible ... |
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