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Mixing higher BPM's

V3NOM
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Posted : Sep 9, 2010 04:24:04
Hi all

ok so I'm getting back into mixing psychedelic trance music or whatever you call the night/dark/glitch stuff.

I am trying for a few weeks now to mix the higher BPM style & finding it quite hard to get the beat matching happening.

I am wondering is it because I am still stuck with my old CDJ100s? Would newer players have finer adjustment for mixing these stlyes or I am also thinking of moving to a Traktor set up end of this year?

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Posted : Sep 9, 2010 05:32
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ah pois eh!
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Posted : Oct 6, 2010 19:39
well i think is not in software or hardware is about u improving ur skills u can use traktor but i will not be able to sync beats when u play highbpm music u still have to match the beats by hand witch is similiar to what u do in any cdj ...


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Posted : Oct 7, 2010 02:12
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On 2010-10-06 19:39, ah pois eh! wrote:
well i think is not in software or hardware is about u improving ur skills u can use traktor but i will not be able to sync beats when u play highbpm music u still have to match the beats by hand witch is similiar to what u do in any cdj ...


just think faster



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daio


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Posted : Oct 7, 2010 20:10
in my opinion its easier to mix higher bpms cause beats crush faster so you understand earlier where to turn the jog...the hardest for me to to mix till now was dubstep for exactly that reason...
ultraviolence
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Posted : Oct 8, 2010 09:16
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On 2010-10-07 20:10, daio wrote:
in my opinion its easier to mix higher bpms cause beats crush faster so you understand earlier where to turn the jog...the hardest for me to to mix till now was dubstep for exactly that reason...



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mudpeople
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Posted : Oct 22, 2010 23:41
The faster the bpm, the closer the kick notes, the less jog-wheeling you have to do to line em up.

And fast stuff generally has a lot going on that can cover up any slight mistakes/adjustments.

I like playing fast stuff as well as slow 126-136bpm-ish proggy, and in my experience slow stuff needs more delicate jog wheeling and pitch control, a slight .05% offset in bpms, after a minute or so, or halfway thru a blend, the gap btwn the tracks has grown noticable. With faster stuff, lower percentage range-per-bpm, 1/20 of a bpm difference in speeds isn't going to be such an issue. Also slower stuff takes longer to match up, more attention needed to make sure the kicks are aligned. Progressive tends to have more dead-air instances, spaces btwn notes and whatnot that gradually fill with more layers as the song goes on, those spaces make any off-matches easier to hear than if it was kbbbkbbb type stuff of any speed.

I find myself spending much more time making on-the-fly adjustments to the sync with slow stuff, especially since I was usually using cdj-100s. Sometimes those adjustments happen while recording, but surprisingly it wasn't usually too obvious that Id scrap the mix.

After practice, you get a feeling for BPMs that makes it easier to hear when the beat isnt QUITE matched or begins to slip, which is a problem with cdj100s with their .1 pitch increments, can't actually get some tracks synced fully and have to give the jog a little nudge now and then. You also get a feel for which direction you need to jog the track, which also tells you whether its faster or slower than the other and can help you adjust the pitch in the master channel if necessary. Remember how forgiving dancers can be . It wasn't something I really tried to learn, either, more something that became clear after practicing and practicing and more practicing, developing something like an internal metronome (dancing helps too, cruise control) that isnt always accurate and sometimes drinks too many beers but generally can be thought of as a stand-up guy when the going gets rough.

Everything falls into place eventually, at least it did for me, and it wasn't a matter of 'trying' to make it happen, so much as it was a matter of doing the same thing so many times that it stops being a matter of conscious thought and becomes muscle memory. That is a fun hurdle, after that you get to spend less time worrying and thinking about the sync and more time rocking out. Just don't stop practicing if you really want it, cuz if you really really want it, its there. You just have to work a little to get 'there'. But its a fun work, like climbing a mountain, if you were, like, on Mars with 14% earth weight so you can fall if you want and not die. With a soundtrack

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V3NOM
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Posted : Nov 1, 2010 06:05
Well I got to play with the new Traktor DJ set up thingy today at a shop and was heavily impressed how it handled my high BPM dark psy so I think after I save up some on my new job starting next week then sell my CDJ100s & DJM 400 this is where it's at for me

Also it makes recording direct into my laptop for demo's etc so much easier           I hate you, you hate me, we are all so hap hap happy!
elastic_plastic
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Posted : Nov 2, 2010 12:41
just practice and never look at the bpm counter kinda makes you feel like a handicap coz u get really dependant
mudpeople
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Posted : Nov 17, 2010 06:46
my bpm counter was always off anyway
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