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orgytime
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Posted : Feb 24, 2011 22:34:16
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hey guys...
its about multibandcompression/limiting, getting more "hype", make the HH´s "carped" louder etc. and how its affects the mastering...
any advice is welcome!
i noticed that adding a multiband compressor gives a nice fuller sound in the highs.
reverb also can do this, but i couldnt tell the difference really, so i try to follow the rule to add just as much reverb until its auditable.
there is also harmonic exciter... normaly i just use this for selfmastering, not for mixing.?
so i read that HH´s should be less loud for the mastering stage... why is that?
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magner
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Posted : Feb 24, 2011 23:08
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a multiband compressor used well will make the highs sound better indeed, and also the rest aswell  . Do not make your highs higher from the volume of the track, use the multiband compressor with a bell notch below 20 khz, this will help.
Leave some headroom for the highs (also for the rest) the limiter will fill in the gap, if it helps i just got the new psp limiter and its the best one so far, its very clean and transparent, i love it and so will you.
as for the reverb yes use it!, it will make the hh blend in better with the rest and give a spacey feel and it will sound less loopy, for better results put the reverb on a return track and 100% wet signal, than just open the reverb signal from the track to your liking.
If you have 'sonnox native' plugin use it on your highs, especially its compressor and mostly its gate, it will tidy your hh and any other drums drasticaly, hope this helps dude |
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 24, 2011 23:16
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On 2011-02-24 22:34:16, orgytime wrote:
so i read that HH´s should be less loud for the mastering stage... why is that?
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dunno,i think it should be mixed right and not tired the ears ! |
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Obelizk
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Posted : Feb 24, 2011 23:22
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if you're using a multiband compressor in the mastering phase, you can add highs very easily, making the hats stand out more. Maybe that's why someone wrote that you can leave them lower.
Still, just get your stuff sounding best before the mastering phase - gives you more control, so it's the better route. The high areas for me can fatigue my ears really fast, I've tried using a nice EQ like glissEQ to get rid of the very very highs can be useful if you're not dulling the sound a ton.
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daark
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Posted : Feb 24, 2011 23:41
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there is no such rule i know of.
but it is best for the hats to be quiter then rest as the high freqs needs less gain to be percieved and generaly it should sound quite better so check that the highs are less or equal to the mids.
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orgytime
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Posted : Feb 24, 2011 23:50
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daark
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Posted : Feb 25, 2011 06:26
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If you are planning to excite in the mastering stage then you shouldn't probably use that and wait untill you excite all the high band and not only hihats as it will sound a bit distorted and bright but you have to listen to know for sure.
If your hihat lacks presence just compress it low threshold short att and rls about 4:1 maybe less just listen to it so it won't be too much.If it sounds too sharp or crackling than reduce the compression ratio and threshold or slightly increace the att and rls time. Hope it helps.
I generaly don't like excitement like harmonic exciter in the mastering stage either that in all is just my taste.
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orgytime
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Posted : Feb 25, 2011 09:59
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thanks daark, i just noticed that my mixes often sound empty in the HH area. so i thought bringing the quiter parts up (reducing the dinamics) maybe is the key.
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monno
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Posted : Feb 25, 2011 13:27
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To achieve more top end hype (i prefer sparkle myself) you should not have to resort to multiband anything.....An EQ would be much more appropriate in this case i reckon and a good deal less complicated to work with. Naturally maybe your HH´s might benefit from a different type of processing but if it´s to simply make the more quiet parts more loud have you thought about constricting the velocities of individual notes in the piano roll? Simply just adjust velocity upwards if less dynamic range is needed.
I have a general rule of thumb that might seem a bit dismissive, but if my start point is not in some way what i want, i drop it and find something else. Having to add tons of plugs on stuff to get it there really can work sometimes, but i find my best sounding stuff is hardly processed at all. I spend more time selecting sounds that fit together in a mix already before i start the bulk of a track. Processing, from a mix point of view, mostly consists of EQ and single band compression (i never compress hihats, i program that in midi)
The only place where i find multiband anything really useful in mixing is for controlling gnarly sub freq´s in either bass or kick.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 25, 2011 13:31
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On 2011-02-25 13:27, monno wrote:
To achieve more top end hype (i prefer sparkle myself) you should not have to resort to multiband anything.....An EQ would be much more appropriate in this case i reckon and a good deal less complicated to work with.
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^^^This.
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orgytime
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Posted : Feb 25, 2011 14:31
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thanks monno!
ok i understand. about the EQ... you are talking about notching out the attack of the HH´s to bring quiter parts up?
i do my HH`s all manual (midi trigger), and dont use pre finished loops. so i have to know about velocity
ill take your advice and tweak!
thanks
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