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Mixing/ EQing multiple leads.
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nutrinoland
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Posted : Apr 4, 2014 19:23:21
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WHat techniques are used while mixing Multiple overlapping FM leads in Darkpsy ? How do You make all the different leads fit together ? DO YOu use EQ to notch out clashing frequencies on different leads within the same ranges? rely more on panning and less on EQ ?
How do Parasense, Grapes of Wrath and artists like that fit upto 5 and 6 lead sounds together all at the same time without clashing ?
Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O0iyC8c8sI
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Grevinsky
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Posted : Apr 4, 2014 19:53
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jizy
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Posted : Apr 4, 2014 23:17
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instrument racks... have fx going on in different frequency bands..... listen and pay great attention to your Ref track... pay attention to the details on how there being mixed....
its eq panning ,positioning ,wet and dry... 5 6 leads? could possibly av the space in between each note to allow each to speak in unison without a conflict... havnt herd the clip and dont want to..because the answer should be the obvious ones.....
an fm sound quite similar, so it could b possable that the 5 to 6 that u here have all been mixed to create 'one' |
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knocz
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Posted : Apr 4, 2014 23:45
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All the techniques you said are totally valid! But it's far from an extensive list of tools you have when mixing 
So, one thing is the sound design - getting the ideas out. Then the mixing - making the ideas fit together And it's way more info than I can digest here.
But as a couple of tips:
- Think thin - use sounds that won't take the whole spectrum at once, you'll have more space to play with
- Think dynamic - a certain EQ or volume or whatever setting that makes it sound amazing in one section might not be the most appropriate for the next one.. you can have dynamic in you mixing settings, making it modulate according to the needs
- Think stereo - use stereo widdeners, fatterners, even delays to place a sound in it's place. If two short sounds collide when playing together, shift one (or only a part of the stereo field) a bit ahead, at taste. (I sometimes do this with the snare, anticipating the off-beat by just a bit and giving space for the elements to breath)
- Think control - use compressors / expanders to tame the dynamics of your sounds - more control, better mixes; too much control and it's lifeless  the tricky part is figuring out where the line is! Also, EQ give you control, so it can help out
- Think differently - Usually the stereo illusion is considered by the left and right channels, but you can convert this to mid / side easily and continue with the mangling and mixing  Or any M/S processing tool will do.
- Think positive! Do you really need to have them both playing at the same time? couldn't one play the first half of a beat and the second the second half? or at shorter time..
Hope this helped 
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jizy
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Posted : Apr 4, 2014 23:50
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indeed its extensove.. thats why iu say no more , the rest iz up2 individual to experiment...
u kno, like the days we had b4 forums existed , the days wen creativity was forced upon u due 2 the lack of options ...
i like it when a dry sound is doppled , pans iself acroos the spectrum , then bang,,, u get a nice wet verbed centered wobble to counteract the illusion
but cheers knocz, usful tips.. and yeh, do u really have to have 6 all competing to sound the best lol? bastard sounds lol,who they think they r
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 5, 2014 16:10
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it's all been nicely laid out in here. only thing (I think) it's missing here is that it starts with the arrangement itself: even the notes you choose to play those sounds, you're already choosing where you're placing them on the frequency spectrum.
the first, more obvious and most important separation of sounds starts with their pitch/note. then it's reserving a fraction of time for each, alternating between sounds, questions and answers, evolving patterns...
if you listen carefully, there's hardly two sounds playing at once on any nicely laid out track that exist on the same frequency range and sitting exactly on the same place (on the stereo field), let alone six sounds... |
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nutrinoland
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Posted : Apr 5, 2014 16:29
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Thank You for the replies and for sharing the useful tips. I will keep them in mind and try them while working on a track.
Yes 5-6 may have been an exaggeration.
From listening and trying to observe what is going on in some tracks I like, I notice generally 2 sorts of techniques used for writing leads. As You'll mentioned above, In one the different lead synths take turns to play short well placed riffs, like a conversation, which interact to form a complex sounding pattern, accompanied by background sound effects.
The second method uses 2 -3 leads going on at the same time , accompanied by background sound effects. In which case the leads might be placed on different areas of the frequency spectrum and have quite different Timbres to begin with.
Both methods utilize extensive panning,widening, ping pong delay and similar Stereo techniques.
Anyway I will try to observe closer while listening to reference tracks and will spend more time experimenting with the techniques mentioned here.
Thanks again for the Great tips |
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Upavas
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Posted : Apr 6, 2014 02:25
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When making leads I usually tend to see that the bass and the hats are not too much interfered with. It is perfectly acceptable to run one lead for instyance more through the centre and another lead over it strongly stereoized, that way both won't clash with each other, eqing is your other tool to de-clash two leads playing together... another is making one lead louder and putting it in the foreground and another lead as background... use it all and use it well!
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astro_traveller
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Posted : Apr 6, 2014 14:34
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eq, stereo seperation and side chain with each other.. |
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jizy
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Posted : Apr 6, 2014 20:23
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practice experiment practice... do nuthing but experiment and practice... ditch your girlfriend and do nuthing but practice and experiment otherwise she will waste your years... 4nuthing
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 10, 2014 02:41
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fraxi
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Posted : Apr 10, 2014 08:42
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lol
No matter with sound design, mixing. Just turn everything to 432 hz and you will get everything you want. You will make killer tunes, stop ozone depletion and heal cancer
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