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Mixing bass notes that fall on a kick.
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Chemogen
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Posted : Nov 24, 2008 22:18:10
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For producing music that has basslines unlike Psy, which pretty much gel with the kick, how would you about mixing them together?
Would you cut lows from the kick or the bass, or is it a subjective thing?
I'd like to start writing basslines that work with the kick and form a different groove. Any advice? |
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aciduss
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Posted : Nov 24, 2008 22:39
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You sidechain compress the bass when the kick hits in. |
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Medea
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Posted : Nov 24, 2008 22:48
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i have done that several times, imho there are 2 common ways to make it sound ok
1) cut low frequencies from the note that plays together with the bass (split your bassline between two tracks with different processing)
2) Sidechaining + trying to make kick and bass play in different frequencies (check my track "wooden snail" on myspace, the bass is playing only with the kick, i think i was lucky to make it sound ok in this track=) the kick has no low-end, but the bass has, so they fit)
Both ways will not work with any kick and any bassline, certainly, i think you should start from choosing proper sounds and notes first...
One more thing. Sometimes kickdrum is long and has a definable low root note. So, in certain cases it can be percieved as something completely glued with the bassline (sidechaining also helps), if the bassline plays the same note, or another, but relevant for the melody.
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Nov 24, 2008 22:51
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 00:38
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use tomas penton kik
some of those are great to be placed along bass notes.. abit oldschool sound but thats the correct mix imo , and use some side chain but not to heavy otherwise what done there...
i would actualy use FL Peak Controller to "side chain" the kick to the low shelf eq on the bass 
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Upavas
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 01:08
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naga
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 15:46
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soulfood
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 16:46
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On 2008-11-24 22:51, Fragletrollet wrote:
send bass to 2 channels, hipass ch1 and lopass ch2, sidechain ch 2.
You can even send the signal from the 2 separated channels to a 3d one, and add fx (compression ?)
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Wouldn't applying filters in such a way make the bass sound different even with much tweaking?
I just automate an eq on the bass to drop out the clash frequencies when the kick plays. Not a bad option if you don't mind a lot of copy and pasting. |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 17:06
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This might be strange advice but how about just piling them on top of each other?  I did that in a track I am working on and it seems to work ok.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 17:17
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On 2008-11-25 17:06, UnderTow wrote:
This might be strange advice but how about just piling them on top of each other? I did that in a track I am working on and it seems to work ok.
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That track is probably not winning the loudness war though
I think it can sound nice with very moderate ducking...just to make sure the peak levels remain a bit more consistent but so you still hea the ass on the kick. Sure it will usually result in some phasing between kick and bass, but that's not always a bad thing.
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naga
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 17:36
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i like sidechain as an effect, don't place it to base section in psy. I mix bass and kick to use same frequencies instead many prefer not to do.
-arrangement: don't play kick and bass at the same time. lower volume at very first bass notes around the kick.
-compression: exporting vst to pool and track as audio to check threshold level for compression in cubase audio editor.
-spectrum: i add izotope ozone to master bus to take "infinite" snapshot of kick and make bass spectrum to look similar with kick =) same low frequencies on the both, lower than 100-120hz
-apEQ: to cut frequencies, i bring up the bass's high pass until it reaches kick's lowest frequencies
-anotherEQ: to define sound of final result over 100-200hz
-group: group with slight compression 2:1 and some eq
i feel this pretty easy way to work with base section in the beginning. of course fine tuning settings during the song.
i prefer db sidechain at the moment, works perfectly with cubase, no routing needed, easy to add to everywhere
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Andreh
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 18:30
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another good tip is do the kick with the same tone as the bass... And avoid to overload low frequencies
Doing that, when the kick play with the bass at the same time, will happen a.. shit i dont know how it is called in english... 
"Phase Anulation" or something like that...
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Chemogen
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 18:37
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A good example of the kind of basslines I'd like to achieve is in Broken Toy's Shiny Disco Balls. Defnitely a lot more dynamic than a KBBB bassline, although the kick has noticeably more punch than lows. |
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xrust
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 20:14
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UnderTow
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 23:14
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On 2008-11-25 17:17, Spindrift wrote:
That track is probably not winning the loudness war though
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Not it isn't. That isn't my aim.
Anyway, I pumped it through some quick and dirty dynamics processing to see how loud it could get: http://puretone.nl/Kick_on_bass.mp3
Too much for my taste. It sounds distorted. But you get the idea.
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