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Mixer vol or Compress?
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : May 10, 2006 09:17
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Is it better to lower a sound using its mixer settings in cubase or lower the volume by a plugin such as a compressor or using the output volume on every plug that I have put on the sound iself. for example making a -5db gain on the filter or making -5db on the channel mixer?
Is there any difference?
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Trip-
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Posted : May 10, 2006 09:21
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There might be a difference.
I would use the sequencer mixer - I want the plugin to be a 'dummy' in my leveling - I also believe the plugin should output the max it can, and I'll later fix it with the sequencer. Notice that you can overload a sound with the plugin alone, and you won't be able to fix the digital distortion using the mixer.
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sideFXed
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Posted : May 10, 2006 11:58
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I agree with trip. you could also use the pregain function so your channel fader either is set to 0 (or corresponds to the actual db value). good visual reference but asks for a bit more work.
an advantage of this leveling is that you preserve the full scale for volume shifts.
so in a real world situation set the synth to 0 db, build up your effects and use the pregain function. set the volume fader to 0 and with pregain get to the level you want to achieve. the resolution of a volume fade will now span over the whole range. soundcloud.com/epsylohm |
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piko_bianko
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Posted : May 10, 2006 18:18
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compression is meant to be used in a whole other mean and not to lower the volume 
just the mixer volume would be good
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sideFXed
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Posted : May 11, 2006 00:12
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well if you drive a compressor with a high enough ratio (10:1) it works like a limiter. you can tame with this peaks, change transients and fiddle around with the dynamic of the waveforms. I often try to see what rms level output I get from a signal in combination with compression.
so when you use a compressor to lower the volume of a waveform you get the advantage to place the target better in your mix and make details of your instruments more present and last but not least for safety - not clipping my master output all the time.
I use this on leads that otherwise change their levels to much while automating cutoff or resonance etc. soundcloud.com/epsylohm |
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : May 11, 2006 01:37
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The compression shouldnt be included here. I know what a compressor is, the question is mainly about the channel volume and the plugins ones...
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : May 12, 2006 04:28
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Well, I imagine in older outboard gear the philosophy would be to get it as loud as possible from the source (in this case the volume controls on the synth followed by each plugin) to minimize noise in the signal.
But with digital I don't think that matters so much.
I like to tweak my volume in the synth followed by the mixer though, feels more retro this way.
... not that I've ever worked with much outboard gear, I'm part of the DAW generation. |
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sy000321
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Posted : May 12, 2006 13:47
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On 2006-05-12 04:28, fuzzikitten wrote:
Well, I imagine in older outboard gear the philosophy would be to get it as loud as possible from the source (in this case the volume controls on the synth followed by each plugin) to minimize noise in the signal.
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the problem in digital is that when you change volumes you can run into aliasing problems
if you change the volume more that once in the path, aliasing might be un-noticeable, but is sure there.
i don't care much about this because i distort almost every sound i use so...
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : May 12, 2006 14:11
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On 2006-05-12 13:47, sy000321 wrote:
the problem in digital is that when you change volumes you can run into aliasing problems |
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I thought aliasing problems occured with too low of a sample rate causing high frequency content to become confused with low frequency, wrecking havoc at the digital-to-analog stage.
How does volume tweaking cause aliasing? |
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : May 12, 2006 14:53
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What is an ALIASING problem?
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sy000321
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Posted : May 15, 2006 16:15
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fregle
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Posted : May 15, 2006 20:42
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trip and sideFXed said the most usefull things imho... |
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C3PO
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Posted : May 15, 2006 23:49
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