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Wire_Conex
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Posted : Aug 25, 2009 02:37:41
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Hello guys.
Afther moths working on my Live Act mix, I realyzed that I never stopped to create my own mix rules. Im mean, how much Db used on your snare/clap? On how many Hz I will make the Hi-pass of the Hihats?
The only thing that I aways keep, its the kick drum in -6db, and the bass about -7.5db to -9db. (frist I used the kick at -3.5db, a tip from the andi-vax video.... and after much headache, I took the opinion of some other producer and mix/master professionals, wich told me that its madness to use -3.5db on the kick drum).
The kind of music that I produce its kind like GMS, Black and White, Dynamic, Electro Sun, In Panic, XSI.
So...if anyone who produces the same style would like to share with me about your mix ideas, I would love to talk about topics like:
-How much Db you use on your Kick, Bass, Snare/Clap, Hihat Closed, Hihat Open, Crash (in a mix of 0db, if not we will not get anywhere XD).
-In how much Hz you make the cut of your Hihatz, Snare/Clap.
-Wich EQs you like to use?
I think and hope that this topic will help all Full On Morning producers.
Cheers 
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Aug 25, 2009 10:57
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Aug 25, 2009 11:39
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Wire_Conex
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Posted : Aug 25, 2009 15:12
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On 2009-08-25 11:39, Fragletrollet wrote:
It totally depends on the samples you are using, there is no general answer.
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I agree that depends of the sample. Some Hihats have more low frequencies, so I have to cut more.
But, when I look in a frequency analyzer there is a pattern of where things should be.
Like, usualy I cut all the frequencies lower than 2k from the hihats.
In the snare I make a low cut about 250-300hz, remove a bit of 8k-10k hz and increase 2.5k-2.8k hz(I usually try to forge 1 peak at this point).
So what I asked its more about how should be the spectrum of each element. www.myspace.com/kromaticmusic |
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illusions
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Posted : Aug 25, 2009 15:34
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Whatever happened to creativity ?
Do you really want your percussion to sound the same in every track ? |
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soulfood
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Posted : Aug 25, 2009 16:07
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If there's minimal clashes and clips anything goes as far as I'm concerned. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Aug 25, 2009 17:23
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I say just go for an overall volume (~ -5dB to leave headroom for mastering) and adjust all the individual volumes so they sound right. My individual levels for k/b and perc are different for each track, but i try to get the overall volume -5dB.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 25, 2009 19:12
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The only question you need to ask is "does it sound right?" And if it doesn't sound right you need to ask the question "How can I make it sound right?"
If you can't answer those questions yourself, the thing that will help you is more practise and experimentation, because you answer those questions with your ears and your brain, and both can only be trained by gaining experience, not by asking questions like "where should I HP my hihats?". I could say "2.5Khz" but that might not work with the hats you're using, and anyway what would you have learned? Nothing.
If you compare your track with a released track at the same volume, certain differences will be obvious. Think about exactly what those differences are, and then try a few different ways to correct them. Then compare again.
There are no formulas, every sound is different and needs working on differently to fit it into the track (and all tracks are different in this too, you can use the same hihat sound in three tracks and they will probably all need different processing).
The only thing you need is a knowledge of your tools and a trust in one's own judgement - and the only person who can give you that is you.
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Wire_Conex
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Posted : Aug 25, 2009 19:38
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On 2009-08-25 19:12, Colin OOOD wrote:
The only question you need to ask is "does it sound right?" And if it doesn't sound right you need to ask the question "How can I make it sound right?"
If you can't answer those questions yourself, the thing that will help you is more practise and experimentation, because you answer those questions with your ears and your brain, and both can only be trained by gaining experience, not by asking questions like "where should I HP my hihats?". I could say "2.5Khz" but that might not work with the hats you're using, and anyway what would you have learned? Nothing.
If you compare your track with a released track at the same volume, certain differences will be obvious. Think about exactly what those differences are, and then try a few different ways to correct them. Then compare again.
There are no formulas, every sound is different and needs working on differently to fit it into the track (and all tracks are different in this too, you can use the same hihat sound in three tracks and they will probably all need different processing).
The only thing you need is a knowledge of your tools and a trust in one's own judgement - and the only person who can give you that is you.
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Cool, but at least I should keep the elements EQs similars. Cause I dont want big diferences between the tracks of my Live Act.
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shellbound
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Posted : Aug 25, 2009 19:41
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hmmm....it looks to me like you guys are talking about the mixdown of a track and he's asking about rendering stems/loops to use in a live set so that they are more consistent and he can use them interchangeably on the fly to improvise his set.
it's that whole "Live Act Mix" wording. but i could be wrong. lots of people don't really take the time to formulate their questions and just throw words out and then get tons of replies about completely different things, depending on which key-words the replier decides to concentrate.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 25, 2009 22:06
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Wire_Conex
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Posted : Aug 26, 2009 05:13
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On 2009-08-25 22:06, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2009-08-25 19:38, Wire_Conex wrote:
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Cool, but at least I should keep the elements EQs similars. Cause I dont want big diferences between the tracks of my Live Act.
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Then make your own rules according to what sounds good to you in the context of your live set
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 I tought that most of the people do that, and I wanted to knew the "rules" that you guys use.
Like this I could compare if my ones, and try diferents mix ways
Thx dude.
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