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minimal... what does it mean for the trance!
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psydark_light
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 13:31
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RaverGirl , u are one of the isratrance Team !
I think that u more than anyone else should cause to be a good example.
why can't u stick to the topic ?!
sometimes I feel that this is not a forum! at least not quality.
can't we discuss about some topic without "interests action" ?!
the point of this topic is to get self-awareness about minimal .
why do u have to take contradiction action anytime the topic is not to your liking !
PS- if u want to find some fairness, u need to talk about it ,u need to develop ur self awareness ,ur knowledge , these are few of very important reasons we use the forums right ?!
   what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?
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Candy
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 13:36
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What are you talking about?
The fact I’m a part of the team doesn’t mean I don’t have an opinion.
I’m just saying that if somebody opened a thread asking “full on, how can u like it”, you guys would have stoned him/her.
Everybody has its taste, It’s not nice from people to say here that minimal is stupid music that kids can make, cause I could say the same about full on.
And Psydark Light, we are discussing, what is the problem? It is a forum. Everybody has its opinion no?
Majority is never right!
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psydark_light
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 13:43
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I didn't say anything like "full on is good music and minimal is not"
I tend to listen to psytrance as a painting , when it is good , it is good !
u didn't read my reply again !
the point of this specific topic is to get self-awareness about minimal !
ps - I really don't like full on much more than minimal or techtrance , for me these expressions like "full on , minimal , techtrance... don't exists !
I like only what make me feel, without brainwashing.
what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?
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Candy
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 13:50
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Psydark, I was referring to a comment made by somebody else here (not you) saying minimal can be made by kids.
I could say the same about full on.
Minimal is a very intelligent music. You need the minimum to enjoy, and this my friends I believenot many can do – and it shows about open minded awareness – being able to enjoy from little.
I also think minimal is a lot about mind playing. These little sounds that fits perfectly and not the blasting bombarding sounds full on has.
Like Kaz said, try to understand it, listen to it.
Majority is never right!
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psydark_light
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 13:52
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this should be art !!!
this is not food !!!
what does the point of "contented with a little" when it comes to art ?!
does it make any sense ?! what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?
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Mr. uzi :)
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 13:55
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for me minimal is when less policemans comes to ask me to shutdown the music for tonight... 
or for a dj, to see less lights hitting the roof on the mixer ! ! !
thanks shahar for the Robert Wyatt quote 
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 14:19
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On 2003-03-02 12:39, psydark_light wrote:
kaz , I agree with u about "this is nice to listen to minimal sometimes" , and I do like it SOMETIMES !
but this genre is still lame ,very lame actually!!! imo
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If you like some of it, then it's not a lame genre, there are tracks in that genre you don't like.
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did u ever think what is the point of this sub genre "minimal" ?
as I know , minimal is un complex psychedelic music as well as it isn't complex to make it! at least not as full psychedelic is complex to make. (I do have some experience in music creation , I have been in few studios in my life, don't be wise guy by asking me "why do I don't make it if it is so easy")
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Well, Plastikman, one of the minimal techno gurus, made entire tracks using one note, one sound, and just playing around with the effects on it. Sure, technically, there's a lot less going on there than a full-on psytrance track, but if you sink into his music, you'd be surprised at how emotional and deep it can be. It's a different state of mind. You can either get into it and enjoy the music, or you can't and just think of it as non-complex bullshit. The exact same thing can be said about any ABSTRACT form of art - abstraction in itself may seem simpler than making a realistic picture, but there is so much thought and creativity behind it. Abstract art offers a different range of thought than other ones. Some people like it, some people just think that a really cool landscape drawing is way better, and that the abstract art is not nearly as relevant.
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now I ask myself :
why is it minimal music ,why not to make "psychedelic music" without all these pointless expressions "minimal" "techtrance"?
I mean why do they make it so minimal ?
do they think people are so stupid that can't understand complicated music, or maybe they just think that this is much easy to make it , so why bother ?!
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There are other labels - "goa", "psy" and "full-on". I don't see you bitching about those. Those are different subgenres of trance, each one offers something different.
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why ambient artist don't make mini/tech ambient genres?
maybe because they know that their music is good enough ,so people will like it even if they won't label it as sub genres!
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OK, well, that's plain ignorance. A lot of ambient out there is dark and machinish in qualities. Illbient, IDM, Electro, the list just goes on. There are as many subgenres in every style of electronic music.
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BTW son kite is behind the minimal direction, they have great knowledge and very powerfull music ,don't insult them by attached their to minimal direction!
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this should be art !!!
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I think minimal music is art. Abstract art. Most people don't appreciate abstract art, I do. Listen to The Art of Trance - Orange, one of the ealiest progressive tracks ever. Tell me that's not art.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 14:22
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Music is music and taste is taste...it's that simple...!!!!
end of the discussion ! |
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psydark_light
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 14:40
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why ambient artist don't make mini/tech ambient genres?
maybe because they know that their music is good enough ,so people will like it even if they won't label it as sub genres!
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OK, well, that's plain ignorance. A lot of ambient out there is dark and machinish in qualities. Illbient, IDM, Electro, the list just goes on. There are as many subgenres in every style of electronic music.
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the point was : in ambient music , the community don't call their music "mini ambient" "tech ambient" they just make ambient , sometimes it is more mini someties there are tech or dark elements , but it stay ambient definition and nothing more !
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this should be art !!!
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I think minimal music is art. Abstract art. Most people don't appreciate abstract art, I do. Listen to The Art of Trance - Orange, one of the ealiest progressive tracks ever. Tell me that's not art.
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I said :
psytrance should be art !!!
this is not food !!!
what is the point of "contented with a little" when it comes to art ?!
please don't change the importance of what I'm saying !
what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 15:31
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psytrance should be art !!!
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OK. Nice sentence. But what is Art ? And how can you define what is "good" and what is "bad" art ?
Lets talk about paintings. What is good ? Is that a lot of colors ? Or may be some special techniqe like cubism or impressionizm ? I think no, cause when you are looking at the painting you are not trying to UNDERSTAND it, but how does this painting "influence" you. For example take one of Dali paintings, you see a lot of colors, some crazy forms and so on...but from the other side you have "The Black Square" of Malevich, which technically can be done by everyone... And all of them are art.
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 16:21
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Psydark: you aren't getting me at all. Ambient fans DO divide their style into subgenres. I think any IDM DJ won't understand what you mean exactly when you say ambient, but when you say "IDM" or "ultra-minimal melodic chill out", he'll still ask you to be more specific. The only reason that we don't divide ambient into subgenres as much as the people who DJ it or make it is only one reason - we don't listen to it nearly as much as we do to trance. I think most psytrance is art. So is photography. So are many other things. It's all a matter of your perspective.
Just like in the 60s people said that The Doors aren't art, they're just stupid noise trying to piss people off. Or that Zepplin aren't music, they're just loud. It's been said before, and IT'S WRONG EVERY TIME. MUSIC IS ART, NO MATTER WHAT MUSIC. The rest, is just a matter of opinion.
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tekton
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 16:43
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About the art thing.. Everything that we feel is or makes u feel something is ART
Asking why the chill out artists doesnt make mininal ? i same like u asking why Dr. Dre  is not making hard rock heheh
why dont you people just stop this kind of discussions !!
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 2, 2003 16:58
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As expected this goes nowhere deep, and degraded fast into insults and ego games.
Psydark- try to be nicer to people, maybe you'll get better answers to your questions. Works for me usually.
One point though on the subject- the more minimal and monotonic the music is, the more it we'll put you into trance. Think tribal drumming.
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