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PsiloCybian
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Posted : Jul 22, 2013 20:51
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OzMike
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Posted : Jul 22, 2013 23:34
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Actually it's pretty simple I've found to come up with a euro design I like & that'll be it. It's a 12u rack for me. Once it's finished I'll move on to getting a few keyboards but not the MS-20 mini. I borrowed a friends & it's noisy & IMO useless unless you plan to spend half your time clearing up the sound to make it listenable. Or else be very limited in how hard you can push it.
Korg IMO are going downhill quickly. Givie me a minibrute, Bass station II or even Sub Phatty.
Right now my budget is looking at my 12u, minibrute & Prophet '08 desktop
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jul 22, 2013 23:45
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Half your time clearing up the sound?
That's complete bullshit. Most of the time when I need to de-noise the MS20 patch its as simple as cutting a bit off the top end where the noise resides. Takes all of 2 seconds...
The ms20 is all about weird modulating and patching. It sounds like you borrowed your friends for a couple days, focused on the noise issue and didn't take the time to explore the unit and the weird places you can go with it or do with it.
Yes, it has some noise in it, but in most patches and especially in the mix it is a non-issue compared to the raw character that the MS-20 gives you.
People spend years and years exploring the MS-20, to pick it up and casually dismiss it as 'useless' because it is noisy is complete foolishness.
It's one thing to say 'hey I don't like that design, I want something with X or Y or without this limitation' etc. For instance, I personally think the minibrute is very boring and limited in terms of its modulation so its not exciting for me - but I won't be calling it useless as many people are obviously finding use for it.
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OzMike
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Posted : Jul 23, 2013 00:52
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Oh dear someone has an opinion that doesn't match yours so you get all agro. Never grew in maturity beyond 13 did we?
Grow up kid. I've been around synths since 1988 when my oldest bro had a pro studio. And my bro had an original MS-20 which was around for a decade. The mini is even worse if you have any clue about electronics & synthesis. Yeah you can get some goodness out of it but give me a proper modular system any time.
I've been spending the last 6 months playing around with my bro's Buchla system & you def. get what you pay for. MS-20 mini is a toy, just like the minibrute.
They are low end cheap analogue synths made with low end bits n pieces. My mate has 2 of the mini MS-20's, and we pulled one apart completely. It's made with cheap bits. The advertising is a lie.
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Posted : Jul 23, 2013 01:09
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On 2013-07-22 23:34, OzMike wrote:
I borrowed a friends & it's noisy & IMO useless unless you plan to spend half your time clearing up the sound to make it listenable. Or else be very limited in how hard you can push it.
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Its fine if you prefer a Buchla. Most people (that know what a Buchla is) would, but then again most people can't afford one.
Anyone would take a modular that costs 3-4 times (at least) of the price of the MS-20, its absurd to compare a budget synth like the MS-20, to even some of the cheapest, new modulars in the market. The cost for a basic 6U euro rack of budget Doepfer modules starts at least at 1,5k€
But that comment is harsh, maybe you got some units with more noise in them than the ones that are on demos on youtube. They certainly don't sound like units you would spend half your time de-noising them.
I've had lots of synths, including this
Lots of analog synths, and brand new modules for modulars, do have noise, some that are definitely worth getting, like the WASP VCF
are noisy, but then again they sound brilliant.
Then there are all the vintage synths that cost an arm and a leg. The Minimoog is noisy as well, its not stopping people from loving its sound and splashing out for it.
Maybe the MS-20 Mini is a toy, but people have used toy like synths to make brilliant tunes, many a times in the past.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jul 23, 2013 04:58
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On 2013-07-23 00:52, OzMike wrote:
Oh dear someone has an opinion that doesn't match yours so you get all agro. Never grew in maturity beyond 13 did we?
Grow up kid. I've been around synths since 1988 when my oldest bro had a pro studio. And my bro had an original MS-20 which was around for a decade. The mini is even worse if you have any clue about electronics & synthesis. Yeah you can get some goodness out of it but give me a proper modular system any time.
I've been spending the last 6 months playing around with my bro's Buchla system & you def. get what you pay for. MS-20 mini is a toy, just like the minibrute.
They are low end cheap analogue synths made with low end bits n pieces. My mate has 2 of the mini MS-20's, and we pulled one apart completely. It's made with cheap bits. The advertising is a lie.
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Comparing a Buchla or a full modular system (or even a bare bones entry-level modular) to a MS-20 Mini is ridiculous and even making the comparison shows a lack of knowledge or seriousness in regards to the person making that comparison. $600 vs...thousands and thousands.
Calling you out on making a bullshit statement is not being aggro.
Please, however, if it floats your boat to put on the 'old timer here - you know nothing because I've been on the earth a bit longer than you' hat then you go for it old man. However, it doesn't make your posts any more valid.
Anyways, sorry for the derail Psilocybian, hoping to see that minibrute video soon  If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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OzMike
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Posted : Jul 23, 2013 10:21
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Of course the demo's will sound perfect. They're selling a product yeah? They're not going to demo the negatives are they? That's be dumb marketing. And any other person given one to review will have been paid by Korg to give a positive review. It's basic marketing 101.
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PsiloCybian
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Posted : Jul 23, 2013 12:47
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OzMike
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Posted : Jul 23, 2013 14:22
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Yes it's opinions & it's should be fun. I am also sorry if my opinions offended.
I'd just like to say that I do know that toy synths can be amazing, hence why a minibrute is on my list & I'm keen to try out the bass station sequel.
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Posted : Jul 23, 2013 14:41
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Yup the Bass Station 2 interests me. It has a Rolandy character. + the LFO goes well into the audio range, 2 VCOs nice features in general, and LFO that sync to MIDI, sequencer. Generally looks like something I would like to have in the studio for sure.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jul 23, 2013 20:05
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yeah bass station 2 looks great, my buddy pre-ordered it from the local synth shop a month or two ago, was supposed to be out now...but pushed back till september :\
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Posted : Jul 27, 2013 23:43
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PsiloCybian
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Grevinsky
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Posted : Nov 4, 2013 00:25
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Bumping up the thread.
Im considering getting a minibrute. This thread made me even more tempted!.
I thought about the bass station2 aswell, anyone tried em both out and can compare?.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Nov 4, 2013 07:37
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tried out both in person - bs2 is much much more versatile. bs2 has lots of great digital features like patch storage and digital control via your DAW over all the knobs
also the acid filter/overdrive sounds really sexy
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