fractal fields
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Posted : Sep 12, 2011 14:51:35
Hey guys,
(first posted this in MP forum, but there is not much movement, and it has to do with music production ..so here goes...)
Ive been trying to decode some 'nanotech basslines'... i mean artists like Pick and grouch, Vaeya...Zenon label tunes often have those kind of basses.
some examples
Pick-from 11 min and on..
and then my humble try to make it var style...
var1
I came close in what waveforms to use and evelope eq settings but...
clearly there is a big different in sound and i did the best i could in getting a coherent waveform (kick bas combo).
So it has to to with processing -and maybe other surrounding elements- (percussionand so on ) that makes there sound so deep...
any help on this processing - reverb-chorus-other tricks i can experiment with? i felt in love with those basslines
Have you tried with multiband compressor? You can open your filter on your bass sound quite a bit and then suppress the mid frequencies and adjust the low ones. Also you can play with cutoff freq modulation more freely now. Sometimes I use transient shaper (waves one) to smooth the changes even further.
But I think your try is very good. You are almost there...
fractal fields
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Posted : Sep 12, 2011 18:51
thanks kotton! That might just be the key... i was wondering how they could keep this growling (needs overtones) yet still so deep...
Looked into mbc as im not familiar with this.
I have Sonalksis bundle and read that CQ-1 is excelent for the job. (on bass sounds)
Now have to learn to use that thing properly... any tips
thanks and keep info flowing...
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Posted : Sep 12, 2011 19:30
Have you tried this:
Maybe,maybe if you put the bass so low that you hear the growling.And to fill the space between growlings,put delay on the bass and play with delay time so it will sound good?
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On 2011-09-12 18:51, fractal fields wrote:
thanks kotton! That might just be the key... i was wondering how they could keep this growling (needs overtones) yet still so deep...
Looked into mbc as im not familiar with this.
I have Sonalksis bundle and read that CQ-1 is excelent for the job. (on bass sounds)
Now have to learn to use that thing properly... any tips
thanks and keep info flowing...
I use Ableton native multiband compressor and I dont know the one u are mentioning. I have no magic formula for setting it right- the key is to experiment. In general avoid high ratios, it will make you bass dull and without any dynamics. I use three bands, normally i have it set so the first is somewhere from 80 to 160 hz, second one is up to 1khz and the third is all the rest.
Try with mild compression of the middle band at first (ratio 1:2 or 1:3). This will limit certain frequencies from getting too loud. Its very important to adjust the low end in relation with middle band. So when tweaking the middle band always adjust also the lower end. I almost never boost the low end. Most of the time I just drop the volume silder of the lowest band for 1-4db but sometimes I also compress to get the sub more static- it depends on the sound you have and also the sound you are aiming for. Its easy to overdone it so be careful- very high ratio kills the energy of the bass. The other thing is you have to be careful with is getting the right attack and release time of every layer.
This technique is great for dynamic bassline with alot of filter cutoff movement and yet the bassline will sound solid. The other technique is layering but is harder to get it right, at least for me.
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 00:36
I think your bass is pretty good. Indeed open the filter a little. But appart from that it might not be the same as the example but it is good to go imho. It also fits nicely with the kick. So just continue with what you got.
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try using stereo enhancer on the bass it will make it sound really "big"
set the offset towards the right(+) and see the settings that suit ur taste!
cheers!
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 10:26
I would advise against stereo enhancers on bass. Just layer a stereo synth like and keep the bass in mono so that you get exactly the same kind of bass from both speakers. then you can fine tune what is going on in the mids from your layer synth.
Bare in mind that the brain starts loosing directionality below 300Hz, you are wasting processing (and your bottom end's quality) by trying to get the low frequencies wide in the stereo field.
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 13:06
disco hooligans,
Can you elaborate a bit on that technique.. are you talking about 2 or 3 identical bass tracks?
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Posted : Sep 13, 2011 13:13
2 tracks (or 3) playing the same midi file, for example we are remixing a techno track at the moment and I have the Roland SH-101 in mono doing the bassline and covering all the low end and the Virus TI layered with a supersaw oscillator slightly detuned covering the mid range. I have the Virus highpassed at about 150Hz so that all the bottom end of the bass has only the SH-101 playing. Bare in mind that I use the SH-101's VCF to low pass the patch and use no highcut filter on the EQ, just pay attention to where I dial in the VCF's cut-off so that it overlaps with the low mid of the Virus, but in a nice way.
I've programmed the patches so that the bottom end is clean, single oscillator (saw with square mixed in on the SH-101's mixer) patch and the mid range is done by the Virus with Unison mode on detuned so that the mids spread wide on the field. Then mixed it in a way where you can't really tell its two synths and added some tight reverb on the Virus layer to put the main riff in a room.
I can also play around with the Virus LPF whilst keeping the bottom end consistent.
That is one simple example, the possibilities are endless.
i dont personally like to use sample packs but i c and hear many people are able to get good basslines using samples but for me it just doesent work at all.
Personal taste/choice by the end of the day as long as it sounds good!
