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mind to computer -- is it ever possible?
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EYB
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 12:35
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'...people copying other's music and making full-on that sounds like its made in the same studio is bad enough. Imagine the situation if the computer is in control....all tracks would sound the same and we need to have an intro for each track saying "Track by Zooter - track name" etc. for each track. ...'
Whats on, how can each track be the same, since we didn't think the same, it is impossible, nonsense.
Really boring this 'every track sounds the same' stuff.
Input said:
' big problems in the world is that too many people doing the same things'
Ding ding, in which hyperspace are lifing you?
This is the way of evolution, it is very good.
Knowledge is raising. And why should this be a problem.
Think of how much expensive some think would be, if only some persons could do it.
You are musician, you are using a pc, why let other
don't want do it?
The "MMDI" (musical mind digital interface)( as Amygdala nice said) will only be possible if enough people want to use it, no firm would create one for
some persons, or it would be very expensive.
So do and let do.
'Live and let live' - Spacetribe
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zooter
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 14:36
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EYB -- understand your disgust about "every track sounds the same"....
you also say "everybody's brain thinks different"...but think for a moment, we all got our musical knowledge only from hearing other people's music (unless we're talking bout Mozart  )....if every track sounds similar, then how can we create something unique unless we're a genius (and those geniuses are already artists)?
oh look what i've done...i'm thinking different...so i think u may be right
Input: Whether this will be good for the world or bad is outside the scope of this discussion...Will it be possible is the question
Amygdala : Nice word -- MMDI (respect) |
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br0d
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 17:25
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At this point I'd settle for voice to MIDI and audio to MIDI applications that actually worked as advertised. |
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 19:00
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br0d - hehe.. yes!
step by step(ohh baby)
i wonder what the problem is with humans, before they even have solved one problem they want to create more! hehe |
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eliran17
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 00:02
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when time come and u will be able to actually convert your thoughts into music directly to a sq.
i'll be the happiest man on earth (if we still live on earth and not mars...) coz my biggest issue is to write down my music to the the comp.
i know what to do but the process is to long hhhhhhh
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Mike A
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 02:06
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No.
What you imagine in your mind is 99% things you've heard already. Trust me on this 
Besides, what you can imagine is limited compared to what you can actually make.
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zooter
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 07:52
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On 2004-06-23 02:06, Mike A wrote:
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No.
What you imagine in your mind is 99% things you've heard already. Trust me on this
Besides, what you can imagine is limited compared to what you can actually make.
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Amygdala
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 12:50
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I don't know if I think more positively about computers because I'm a computer scientist, but reading these posts I come to think of the executive of IBM who said that there will only be use for 5 computers ever...
I ( again  ) couldn't find the article I was looking for about the robotic arm, but have a look at this one:
http://www.wireheading.com/brainstim/robotarm.html
The experiments are somewhat cruel, and how come Americans (sorry brOd...) always think of using new technology for war?!? Anyway, the brain-machine interface has indeed been made, and why shouldn't one be able to think music instead of arm motions? They're the same chemical and electric signal, just in some other parterns and locations in the brain - in my optimism there is of course a fair bit of hope involved... It would be a froody toy
Although I like to keep matters seperated:
Audio->MIDI:
http://www.mp3towav.org/TS-AudioToMIDI/
- No bigie The audio-extractor is different, unless I misunderstood completely?
Mike A>
" What you imagine in your mind is 99% things you've heard already. Trust me on this
Besides, what you can imagine is limited compared to what you can actually make. "
- This hardly constitutes an argument as to why the MMDI wouldn't be possible...?
Cheers, and keep the skeptical view - people like me needs to be tied to earth now and then 
- Amygdala
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 15:01
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On 2004-06-23 02:06, Mike A wrote:
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They also once saied :
Man travelling by air - is it posible?
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zooter
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 15:13
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Amygdala....
i'm a computer programmer and maybe i think about computers so negatively is because my job involves fixing bugs....(so there)
well...the audio -> midi is really surprising! did you have a chance to try out the demo? Your opinion on the thing...
but i still have to argue! In the experiment, the monkeys could control things with their thoughts.....ok, now based on what is happening, i could say "Draw track1 4 bars, Use Patch 33 for this instrument etc" in my brain and it will work....its like a kinda remote control, but what about ur hidden thoughts...suppose i have some sound in my mind...how will the software intrepret that sound?????????
Now maybe, then again it is possible if the software is capable of directly creating wave files (or sound files) instead of relying upon an instrument patch or something similar.....
well, i guess only the future can answer this question....who would have thought a spaceship would ever land on mars? (no more moon...very outdated)
i'm going on a tangent here, so i cut short now...
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Input
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 15:45
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On 2004-06-22 12:35, EYB wrote:
'...Input said:
' big problems in the world is that too many people doing the same things'
Ding ding, in which hyperspace are lifing you?
This is the way of evolution, it is very good.
Knowledge is raising. And why should this be a problem.
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Hey EYB, Seems like you already got used to what you're calling "the way of evolution" but our world would probably looks better if we would'nt say "the way of evolution" because We are the evolution and as i know in a lot of things in life when you got a big ammount of something then only very small part of it is a quality- you can see this even on our planet earth- the larger part is water.
even though i know i steped forward from the topic(this topic is about possible or not as zooter said-) i'm not taking this as an option because i'm sure it will be possible one day this way or another(who believed 200 years ago that we'll reach the moon??) so i'm stepping forward to the circumstances but maybe this forum section is not the place for the circumstances, sometimes i'm going too far,
peace,
Space is the place
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EYB
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 19:48
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Input you are right we are a part of evolution.
And i don't think you are going to far, i think i have gone to far with the hyperspace stuff. I read it again and want say you i didn't wanted to attack you in any way.
Evolution isn't the topic and is by itself a giant topic, but it is a part of this question.
Maybe all the hightech stuff nowadays, brings us nearer to a big step in evolution: the "lifing machine", human mind in computers.
If we controll computer with mind it is only one small step further to live as machine.
But this brings us to another topic.
peace from me, too
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 20:41
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On 2004-06-23 15:13, zooter wrote:
i could say "Draw track1 4 bars, Use Patch 33 for this instrument etc" in my brain and it will work....
Now maybe, then again it is possible if the software is capable of directly creating wave files (or sound files) instead of relying upon an instrument patch or something similar.....
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in your first sentence, i think that method would create a mess, since thoughts are wild and (unless there was a way to filter) if all your thoughts about what to draw where were interpreted into action imagine what would happen!
about your second sentence, there won't be any wave files (maybe not even files the way we are used to know) by the time this mind-to-computer thing works.
since this thread has moved to "bigger" directions, i think that there will be other things in the future that will bother us (more important, about our existence or non existence) rather than writing music directly from the mind.
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br0d
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 21:29
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On 2004-06-23 12:50, Amygdala wrote:
The experiments are somewhat cruel, and how come Americans (sorry brOd...) always think of using new technology for war?!?
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No need to apologize. It's a good question. Hopefully I won't politicize this thread with my views.
Why is America warlike?
-America is an imperium. Such things are widely resented. Typically when an imperium lets its guard down, it gets very, very sacked.
- A large percentage of Americans are in America because they were searching for a "better life." This phrase is usually a euphemism for "they were fleeing some other group of people who were trying to stab them with a sword, shoot them with a gun, or otherwise oppress or eradicate them." Given that this is an Israeli board, I'd imagine that a lot of people here understand diaspora and refuge. You may not agree with American foreign policy, and there is a lot there to disagree with, but I don't think it's terribly hard to see why America is a warlike nation.
- Geographical isolation. Ivory tower.
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Amygdala
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That's a pretty darn good answer brOd. I know I shouldn't underestimate the "push-effect" when people(s) leaves countries, because they are forced to. That is bound to result in a somewhat wary (in the sence of causious (spelling?), not warlike) attitude towards the outside world.
- and Zooter, good point from you too. I know what it feels like to chase bugs "computers are stupid" comes easy to mind... I didn't try the audio->MIDI I posted a link to, but I tried another one ages ago... It worked fairly well (fairly meaning sometimes entirely, but not quite), but I couldn't find a use for it.
The way I would try to conceive a solution to the MMDI problem, was to train a neural net. I would make sure to have some sounds (wave-format or other) that I know incredibly well. Sinusoids, particular drums, noise-sweeps, and some musical sounds - you name it. I would then "teach" the neural net to create these sounds when I think "of" them - that means, imprint my brainpatterns on specific sounds on the net. If I have enough training-data (sounds) then the neural net would probably be able to figure out how I think of sounds, and thus "guess" what I'm thinking, when thinking of a sound not in the training set.
I haven't ever worked with neural nets, and I'm not going to put electrodes in my brain, but I seriously think this could work...
- wow, these conversations can be so stimulating!
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