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shamantrixx
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 01:20
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Using paired CCs (1/33, 2/34) etc. also uses less MIDI bandwidth compared to an equivalent 14-bit controller using NRPNs, although this is only really an issue when dealing with external MIDI hardware such as synths or control surfaces as VST MIDI is not limited to the slow speed of a physical MIDI interface.[/quote]
Where the fuck did you dig this one from?!?!
In that case routing NRPN's using USB would possibly help to MIDI sync 2 DAW's faster if not better (since I guess perfection can not be reached using PC DAW's). Tnx!
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On 2007-08-28 06:53, Colin OOOD wrote:
I'm pretty sure that more VSTis are capable of using 14-bit controllers than you might think; it's not advertised much though as most people can't be bothered to use them - they're obviously pretty fiddly!
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I guess that every EQ capable to dial frequency Hz by Hz is using 14-bit depth. Otherwise it would have large steps like some of the older VST EQ's have.
But you have a point there with advertising capabilities of VST's. Now days it seems to be more important to include few gigabytes of prerecorded and overproduced samples within a click and play interface that even my mother can use after 2 minutes of exploring VST. In a way I believe that this strategy brings more users and thus more money to developers but in the other hand the spin off is tons of similar variations in a music scene already way to crowded with generic music.
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metalball
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Posted : Sep 1, 2007 16:24
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well, i wanted to update, i've found the awnser.
appears that my keys are just fine and the resolution of the controllers could be changed from the HOST, there is an option in Cubase makes the resolution low to save CPU, and is in the PREFENCES/EDIT...
so if anyone stuck with the same problem, the solution is there...
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 1, 2007 22:37
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On 2007-08-30 01:20, shamantrixx wrote:
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I swallowed the MIDI Spec whole when I first started using computers for music in 1986  
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Sep 2, 2007 03:40
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Given the fact that this is a technical forum I should not be surprised with people who actually read manuals... but I am. I guess it's a part of aging 
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Auralviolence
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Posted : Sep 2, 2007 04:54
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Yeah !  RTFM rulezz 4ever ! 
I even bought a books about MIDI Specs and about digital audio immediately after I started to learn music-software . |
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Colin OOOD
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Sep 3, 2007 01:21
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yeah... and the world would be a boring place if that would be the case.
So let us hope that reading technical manuals will never become mainstream practice for people who work in technical fields
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Suloo
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Elad
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i have stupid "steps" in midi automation recordings.
only when i use the midi keyboard knobs (m-audio)
when i record the midi data from the nord knobs its much smoother... (anyhow lucky to have "smooth" option in FL) and beside , i can feel the diffrence very quick. the nord is heaps more fun "touch".
btw i dont know colin if your midi specs are the same on usb ? aint that much faster ?
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metalball
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Posted : Sep 5, 2007 01:53
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On 2007-09-03 07:01, tsabeat wrote:
i have stupid "steps" in midi automation recordings.
only when i use the midi keyboard knobs (m-audio)
when i record the midi data from the nord knobs its much smoother... (anyhow lucky to have "smooth" option in FL) and beside , i can feel the diffrence very quick. the nord is heaps more fun "touch".
btw i dont know colin if your midi specs are the same on usb ? aint that much faster ?
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dude, you should look for the option i described earlier, i'm using M-Audio Radium 61 USB plugged to CPU, so probably your keys are fine, but the host functions are bad...
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 5, 2007 02:14
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On 2007-09-03 07:01, tsabeat wrote:
i have stupid "steps" in midi automation recordings.
only when i use the midi keyboard knobs (m-audio)
when i record the midi data from the nord knobs its much smoother... (anyhow lucky to have "smooth" option in FL) and beside , i can feel the diffrence very quick. the nord is heaps more fun "touch".
btw i dont know colin if your midi specs are the same on usb ? aint that much faster ?
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Yeah, USB is much faster than standard MIDI.
Your M-Audio gives you steps in MIDI automation recordings because the knobs themselves have rubbish resolution and are not scanned very often by the keyboard's CPU. The other possibility is that you have the Audio Priority set to 'Very High' in the 'Expert' section of the VST Audiobay; I believe this prioritises audio over MIDI to the degree that the timing of MIDI recordings may suffer.
Whatever the setting, the Automation Reduction Level (in the Preferences -> Editing page) will not add 'steps' to your automation! It only automatically removes automation points , simplifying the curve. Your Nord will probably output SHITLOADS of controller data when you tweak a knob (mine certainly does) so you may need to tweak the Automation Reduction Level to thin it out a bit; you'll probably be able to remove quite a considerable amount of points without losing the shape of your tweaks. Best way to do this IMO is to do a few trial runs, rather than risk spoiling a great take by automatically thinning it out by too much.
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Seppa
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 5, 2007 13:52
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cheers metalball and colin
i dont work with cubase for start , and as i said the nord data comes out perfectly smooth.. so its not the host options.
im pritty sure colin is right and m-audio knobs are plain rubbish , i can defintly feel the diffrence from quality knob.
as far for cpu i dont have problem to keep as many automation points i want to , i like convert stuff to audio pritty quickly and beside have monsta cpu.hehe yeah pritty lucky the FL got "smoother" exacly for that 
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metalball
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Posted : Sep 6, 2007 01:04
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On 2007-09-05 13:52, tsabeat wrote:
cheers metalball and colin
i dont work with cubase for start , and as i said the nord data comes out perfectly smooth.. so its not the host options.
im pritty sure colin is right and m-audio knobs are plain rubbish , i can defintly feel the diffrence from quality knob.
as far for cpu i dont have problem to keep as many automation points i want to , i like convert stuff to audio pritty quickly and beside have monsta cpu.hehe yeah pritty lucky the FL got "smoother" exacly for that
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i never said that m-audio as good as nord, but he can get rid of the steps in recording automation, m-audio aint the best keys, but they are able to record a descent auto...
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martyn
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Posted : Sep 23, 2007 18:31
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On 2007-09-06 01:04, metalball wrote:
i never said that m-audio as good as nord, but he can get rid of the steps in recording automation, m-audio aint the best keys, but they are able to record a descent auto...
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when recording fader movements of my m-audio radium 49 in cubase sl3, i get the same audible steps in the controller curve (exeption: recorded modwheel-movements don't have those ugly steps, they seem to have a better resolution).
i tried both methods mentioned above (changing the reduction of automation-data from high to low in file/settings/edit; and setting audio-priority from high to low in the vst-audiobay). that didn't have any effect on the controller-recordings, there are still a lot of big annoying steps.
it seems to be the cheap-built radium that causes the steps - but then i wonder why metalball could fix this problem in his setup. any ideas?
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