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cascade
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 09:51
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This is a laaarge topic for me and I would like your help here boys and girls.
When i was young i was so fanatic about all kinds of metal, especially the extreme kinds like thrash and black., i even believed i hated this world and its people.
When i went to study in England i met some guys who were into all the non metal types of music. (dance, hip-hop etc)
Gradually we got into the world of "substances", and my life changed so much since then....
At first i saw the real light (or actually the light created by these substances)I got into psychedelic trance, went to parties, chilled out a lot...
At that stage i believed that my metal days were to blame for my depression , as psychedelics had shown me my personality, inwards and outwards.
After extensive use, i got a bit paranoid and i was like that for about three years.
it was all karmic revelation to me, i had to "pay" in a way for my veery negative attitudes in the past, and so i did.
but i was happy to see how the real world works...
(you can't imagine how different it is to be a fanatical selfish spoilt metalhead and then get into psychedelia or can you?)
Now, although i listened to much heavy music in my adulthood, i didn't read any lyrics or didn't pay attention to them, i just loved the music and screams, you know?
But the lyrics of metal are so anti-mental, anti christian, anti-spiritual (do you agree or is it just my perspective)
So, what does metal have to do with psychedelic (and so many artists claim to have influences) because i get confused here.
when i get bored of trance and this state of mind i have now, i think to myself how great i felt in the past when listening to so powerful music like metal, but then i think that its not possible to go back there, becuase i consider this music very low in everything, very shallow and of negative energy...nowadays
what do you think about all that?
p.s. this case has really troubled me all these years...
sometimes i even think of quitting the psy scene and getting into classical music, just to get out of this vicious circle of thoughts.
Maybe i think metal and psy trance are music for youngsters and nothing more (which is not true for psychedelic)and in the age of thirty i should listen to something else.
But still i 've read in this forum people claiming to listen to both psychedelic and metal. How can that be? is metal mental or high energy, preparing us for a better world (like psy) or just a strong music for teens, moaning about life's negative sides?
thanks for reading this really.
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orange
Fat Data
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 11:05
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knocz
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Sep 15, 2007 22:16
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Metal and Trance are very alike... From the way songs are structured to the actual sounds of it. The thing is that a trance song bar's are about double the time of a metal song bar.. Therefor why the whole track is double the length..
Psicadelic music turned into Metal. Later on, when the digital age came out, There was a huge increase of dance music. So both of those genres fused to trance. You have a normal 4 by 4 dance beat, with metal drums. The normal scales and licks you use in Metal are used and sound great in trance too, and sound great. Their both strucktured the same way (Intro, verse1,chorus,verse2,chorus,outro,chorus+outro,end).
I'm not speaking about dark trance or goa, but a normal psy full on trance (The one you must like).. And when speaking about music, there never is a formula, so it allows as many exceptions that the human mind can think of.
I grew up on Metal, later I started going out to try to get laid and started doing to disco's, although I never enjoyed the music. Most of my friends were into techno, but I liked trance a little more.. Then I learned to apreciate trance (like how you learn with age to apreciate good old whisky).
While a musician, now when I hear my all time favorite metal songs, I see how musical they are ard realise that I likes the moods it created, not the lyrics. Lyrics are the thoughts of the singer (if he composes them), not the music. Try to make up new lirics for a song, meaning something totally different and play the song while singing to your lyrics. It sounds good to!!
I'm not saying lyrics are unnecessary, but the meaning of them is... What matters is that you start treating the vocals as an instrument...
When going to trance, you play a main lead synth in exchange of the voice.. Or a pad...
I say people need variations, it shouldn't be always the same thing. Lets say, if you were constantly on LSD, someday it will loose its effect and you might get high on not taking them...
So you shouldn't just listen to trance. I say listen to what ever you are in the mood to.. I was in a skazy party and as 11 in the morning I went to my car to listen to a classical music radio station. Sometimes I even like some commercial radio stuff (but ater hearing the song for 3 minutes I never want to hear it again).. Other days is Cradle of Filth for me.. Or a little shpongle... I think you get my point.
It's good to be sad sometimes, and good to be depressed for a while. Anger is a good relief too. Those aren't moods people like, but you have to feel them sometimes..
So now I ask you, ( cascade ) , why shouldn't we just turn up the volume once in a while and sing "F#%K YOU ALL, F#%K THIS WORLD, F#%K EVERYTHING THAT YOU STAND FOR WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA", if it just feels good at the moment?
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cascade
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 16:29
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thanks man..that's what so many people are telling me (even psychologists) but it's just a personal "war" that i've created since my teenage years, that doesn't allow music tastes to interfere..i guess i would like to be an "elitist" but nature proves me wrong , every now and then...
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rich
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Posted : Sep 17, 2007 20:23
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I was thinking about this too the other day.
I was raised on the first Sabbath albums and followed metal through all it's stages. Like you cascade, I loved the power.
So when I discovered psytrance, I found the same kind of power there. The same toughness in the beat and same wild riffs, but psychedelic.
I also felt the intent in psytrance was a spiritual one. The power was positive power. So the feeling I get is not one of withdrawal from the fucked up shit around me but rather empowerment to rise above it. Handle it.
Getting back to the music, what I was thinking about the other day was that you know how in some metal songs, there's sometimes a particular riff or even just a long screaming note bend that sends chills down your spine and makes you say fuck yeah under your breath? Or a syncopated snare hit that makes you feel like, in that second, you are the baddest motherfucker alive... Psytrance (and I mean particualr tracks, not necessarily all of it), every note played, every beat played is as juicy as that. So the whole track keeps your spine chilled and your body moving with that badass feel good feeling. That's why I love it. It's all that peak goodness that you find in metal, but more of it. Sometimes I feel like an addict of that stuff.
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