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trenki
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Posted : May 8, 2007 12:11
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often when i listen to psytrance music, wich i realy like jey... i miss a little bit the message behind in the songs.
i'm thinking people need a little bit more information, the trackname or the the label alone is to less, because we are living in a time, people just copy or download from the internet. so they don't get the all the message, the artists want to give with a cover or some tracknames to the consumer.
so, i suggest, you can put more voicesamples in to your music. for more maseeage.
i know this could change the style to much and is maybe not the best idea...
to solfe this proplem creativity is needed...
there is one other thing i'm thinking about... if you make partys, put some more creativity in to your decoration. think about for waht you and your organisation is standing. what is the massege, you like to give to the people?
realy, make concepts! what is the best in our time to spread out to the people? wich information do the people in this time need?
wake up and save the people!
wake up and save the animals!
wake up and save the planet!
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Boobytrip
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Posted : May 8, 2007 14:06
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Hm, different people, different tastes i guess... Personally i find it annoying when the music is trying to give me a moralistic message when i'm trying to have an uncomplicated good time at a party. I'd much rather like to hear no message or a well placed party message like "some thoughts have a certain sound" than "do they know it's christmass time at all ?" or "give peace a chance". In my view, the most important message should be the music. It says what it says: freakout !
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Anak
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Posted : May 8, 2007 14:31
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in my humble opinion it's not about the message an artist puts in his music, but about what emotions it conveys for the listener. i like to read what personal significance a track has for its creator, but i dont want him/her to shove it up my ass with voicesamples. why should i? am i not allowed to become happy when listening a tune that the artist himself actually associated with sadness if it conveys happy feelings for me? i think i am. just because i made a track in which i digest my sad state of mind doesn't give me the right to expect people burst out in tears too when listening to it. same for other "messages". if a "save the planet" track makes me wanna lumber tropic forest, it ain't the artists business at all.
moreover, if someone doesn't know about my message because he downloaded the music from the net, i couldn't care any fucking less. that would be very sad if artists had to please people too that got hold of the music in illegal ways.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : May 8, 2007 14:47
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Hey, anak, haven't "seen" you for a while 
I absolutely share your opinion!
It's not about "voice samples"
What I miss is to be touched. I miss often the encounter with the innerworld of another person, which makes me encounter my own inner world too.
the music that says "freakout", "jump", "dance" is another way to go, but it bores me to death. I know quite well myself when I want to do either of it. 
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Darius
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Posted : May 8, 2007 15:22
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i think there are no message anymore in most of the music nowdays..
How can it be a message, when the tracks are made by non profesional music composers who just start to play with a kick and bassline and later they keep playing and add diffrent sounds...and in the end they try to find a funky short name ??
Where is the message when the tracks are made in 2 days of work and without any ideea about how it will sound in the end ?
How can it be a story beside this tracks ???
Anyway there are only few producers who really make mussic with message and story behind today !
The last album with a real story i heard is Atma's
"Beyond Good & Evil". From the beggining untill the end there is a message inside every track arranged as a puzzle, and all of them join in a complete and complex story.
(Track 1 - We Will Rise again \ Track 9 - There Is Still Hope....and so on) Also the vocal samples are very suggestive..)
But this album tooked 3 years of work !
A writer can't write a story in only one day. How can a music composer create a story and compose the music around it in only 2 days ?? |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : May 8, 2007 15:42
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Ok I have to admit, that it took 3years to finish my album too, and it was because it took me so long to finish all the storys (also in my life).
But I have written the basic story of many tracks within one day. Some then needed to ripen and be perfectionised for several years, though.
About two songs, which I wrote together with friends we brought into perfection within two days. And they certainly tell a lot.
Most of my music for you to download at:
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Anak
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Posted : May 8, 2007 15:59
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On 2007-05-08 15:22, Darius wrote:
i think there are no message anymore in most of the music nowdays..
How can it be a message, when the tracks are made by non profesional music composers who just start to play with a kick and bassline and later they keep playing and add diffrent sounds...and in the end they try to find a funky short name ??
Where is the message when the tracks are made in 2 days of work and without any ideea about how it will sound in the end ?
How can it be a story beside this tracks ???
Anyway there are only few producers who really make mussic with message and story behind today !
The last album with a real story i heard is Atma's
"Beyond Good & Evil". From the beggining untill the end there is a message inside every track arranged as a puzzle, and all of them join in a complete and complex story.
(Track 1 - We Will Rise again Track 9 - There Is Still Hope....and so on) Also the vocal samples are very suggestive..)
But this album tooked 3 years of work !
A writer can't write a story in only one day. How can a music composer create a story and compose the music around it in only 2 days ??
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i agree with you, except on the time of production issue.
when a story hits a writer, it's usually finished already...the time consuming thing is writing it down, not necessarily coming up with it. writers usually dont have to come up with stories...they just get them.
so as subconsciousmind said, it can sometimes take less than a day to outline a track. when i am in creative mood i know what i want my track to sound like, how the story will progress etc. the time consuming work is only technical and it just depends on how sedulous the artist works on it. therefore, i dont believe that its impossible to write a deeply meaningful tune in 2 days. Anakoluth A Pebble in Your Eardrum's Shoe since 2001!
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Darius
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Posted : May 8, 2007 17:18
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On 2007-05-08 15:59, Anak wrote:
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On 2007-05-08 15:22, Darius wrote:
i think there are no message anymore in most of the music nowdays..
How can it be a message, when the tracks are made by non profesional music composers who just start to play with a kick and bassline and later they keep playing and add diffrent sounds...and in the end they try to find a funky short name ??
Where is the message when the tracks are made in 2 days of work and without any ideea about how it will sound in the end ?
How can it be a story beside this tracks ???
Anyway there are only few producers who really make mussic with message and story behind today !
The last album with a real story i heard is Atma's
"Beyond Good & Evil". From the beggining untill the end there is a message inside every track arranged as a puzzle, and all of them join in a complete and complex story.
(Track 1 - We Will Rise again Track 9 - There Is Still Hope....and so on) Also the vocal samples are very suggestive..)
But this album tooked 3 years of work !
A writer can't write a story in only one day. How can a music composer create a story and compose the music around it in only 2 days ??
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i agree with you, except on the time of production issue.
when a story hits a writer, it's usually finished already...the time consuming thing is writing it down, not necessarily coming up with it. writers usually dont have to come up with stories...they just get them.
so as subconsciousmind said, it can sometimes take less than a day to outline a track. when i am in creative mood i know what i want my track to sound like, how the story will progress etc. the time consuming work is only technical and it just depends on how sedulous the artist works on it. therefore, i dont believe that its impossible to write a deeply meaningful tune in 2 days.
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yes it's true what you said!
The time of production depends from artist to artist and also there are a lot of factors who determine this like: the artist skills, free time, equipment...
It depends also of the story you wanna put behind the track or the album !
If you are a writer and you wanna write for example, a short book with stories for childrens, you can easy write it in few days...but...if you wanna write a philosophy book..maybe you need 10 years or maybe more of collecting materials ideas, text passages from other writes..etc etc...
So i think it is important also what you wanna transmit in the first case but also how complex you are as artist or as person...
Many peoples think: making music is fun ! But i think that's wrong ! Music makes peoples have fun but "making music" should be "art" not fun !
And " art" means creation; means to give live to your work, to your products !
A musical track, or a painting, an simle object... become "art" only when it comes to life, when it has his own personallity and his own story to tell. Untill than, it's only a "product".
So the problem with the message in the music today is: There are too many producers around. Only few artists left !
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FGK108
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Posted : May 8, 2007 18:25
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Nice! Ideas and a really good challenge to all of us
I like the sound of more themed party's with strong messages lets get someting done and have fun!
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : May 8, 2007 18:31
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So the problem with the message in the music today is: There are too many producers around. Only few artists left !
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hear hear
I agree.
Since you say Art needs to have it's own personality, do you really believe that it has its OWN personality, or is it part of the personality of the artist?
Because I believe that through real art one can see into the soul of the artist, or with the eyes of the artist, which both involves the artists personality. Therefore I say, that to make art, to be an artist always mean exposing oneself.
I think that is the reason why we have so many producers and so few artists, so many tracks and so few songs, because making art, writing songs, means to expose oneself and thats something that many people, naturaly, are afraid of and rather don't do.
Fun is easy, no exposing, its just fun.
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : May 8, 2007 21:16
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On 2007-05-08 18:31, subconsciousmind wrote:
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So the problem with the message in the music today is: There are too many producers around. Only few artists left !
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I agree.
Since you say Art needs to have it's own personality, do you really believe that it has its OWN personality, or is it part of the personality of the artist?
Because I believe that through real art one can see into the soul of the artist, or with the eyes of the artist, which both involves the artists personality. Therefore I say, that to make art, to be an artist always mean exposing oneself.
I think that is the reason why we have so many producers and so few artists, so many tracks and so few songs, because making art, writing songs, means to expose oneself and thats something that many people, naturaly, are afraid of and rather don't do.
Fun is easy, no exposing, its just fun.
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@ Darius - tnx for mentioning my album here. I am glad to see that there are still peoples who look deep into the heart of the music, and really listen music, not only "hear" it !
@subconsciousmind: i think Darius tried to said that, artist can put his own feelings into his productions but this become art only when the creation will start to develop his own personallity, and from here comes the value of some art works.
The art live long after the artist death.
Try to imagine the process of creating art like giving birth to a child. You put emotions feelings into the creation but in time, your child will develope his own personallity.
Maybe this is not the best exemple. Let's
try other example.
When you say "Star Wars", you don't say "George Lucas, Star Wars" because his work already become a mit. Peoples dig into the story of Star Wars not into the George Lucas ideeas or feelings anymore.
The movie become more important than his creator !!! The movie will live for ages George Lucas will NOT!
NEW ALBUM OUT SOON !!!
"ATMA - Music Revolution"
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : May 8, 2007 21:25
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ahh...what the f**k are we talking here ?? 
This should be the "Equipment & music creation" section !
Hehehe
... We started to get lost into the topics thread ! This is becoming art, because this topic developed his own personallity.
GOD !!! I forgot again to take my pills !
NEW ALBUM OUT SOON !!!
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : May 8, 2007 23:02
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@atma,
I mentioned it, because I found it kind of a funny idea creating some art which has a personality in its own, WITHOUT putting own feelings or personality. Kind of creating something "artificial" but still alive...
I think thats not possible..
Anyways Just a toughts game. I like it personal
Thats all I do, I put my feelings into a form in which they can be transported into another being.
Thats all the message I need. if a voice sample can support that, ok, but most of the time I can live without them.
I personally even prefer to just transport the emotion and giving as few hints for the thoughts as possible, in order to have the listener find his own associations to the feelings expressed in the song.
In my former Album I even left empty spaces, so that listeners can give their own names to the songs in order to find out what personal experiences of them caused the same feelings (since they certainly are different from mine, and they perceive the song different then me)
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XuN
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Posted : May 8, 2007 23:40
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I might be new to this game of music producing (2 years), I might be some kid, who just played drums for 6 years and then found the computer to build on, but in everything I create is a message. In every track I complete I try to express what I am feeling at that exact moment of time. And thats why I try to give my tracks a name, that describes what inspired me to create it. Example: XuN - 5th World (listen on www.myspace.com/xundk ) I just spend 2 days reading and watching documentaries about the hobie tribes and their belive in the comming of a 5th world in 2012... And on my website, I post this comment about the track, so that people will know this...
I think that all artist/producers should do so. On their websites, cd-covers etc.
www.xun.dk / myspace.com/xundk
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parapsyched
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Posted : May 9, 2007 02:27
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Many peoples think: making music is fun ! But i think that's wrong ! Music makes peoples have fun but "making music" should be "art" not fun !
sorry but i just cant read this and sit quietly.
i agree making music is art, but having fun while making it is neccasery. if you dont have fun than you are just a "tech head"
making tehcinal music.
making music should always be fun.
if you dont enjoy the creative process than why do it at all?
or do you think you need to suffer to make art ?
now for the actuall topic... well each artist is entiteld to his own choice... if you want clear and "in your face " message in your music thats ok. if you prefer to leave the music pure and maybe just hint with track names that`s cool too. whatever the artist thinks is right for his art is good.
and again... if you dont have fun making music. dont make music.
if u dig deep enough u just might reach the sky...
"dream is destiny"
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