Maine Coon
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Posted : Mar 30, 2010 02:43
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On 2010-03-21 23:27, Sanathana wrote:
Beautiful example of how Terrafractyl shifts / moves from major to Minor effortlessly...
Or at least Vivaldi did Did Terrafractyl do his take on the whole Four Seasons, or is it just a one-off track?
Awesome stuff!
Here is a great example of subtle shifts between major and minor. Sadness of being apart and looking forward to meeting again - mixed together skillfully. You actually feel this without realizing the chord tricks: the mode sometimes shifts a couple times a second and you have to really pay attention to make a note of it.
Maine Coon
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Posted : Mar 30, 2010 03:47
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i wanted to combine classic with psy for a long time. this is so good. I even started getting Rachmaninoff midis to play around with, it was to difficult for me at the time to make something decent of it.
*eLliSDee*, since you are a guitarist, I am sure you’ll enjoy this:
The “High Impact” album is almost entirely either covers of classical or heavily influenced by it. Like Terrafractyl – but heavy metal
/ Side note (it’s seriously off-topic here but relates to our recent conversation): I discovered this guy because of pirated mp3s. Would not know about him otherwise. Now I can not wait to get to his concert (and will pay for it). /
Anyway, I wanted to offer my $0.02 on your cover idea. I think the best style for trance covers would be Baroque. It relies on steady tempo and more or less uniform rhythm (very often in 4/4). Bach’s inventions should work well – I hope to get my hands on the Well-Tempered Clavier, once I learn Ableton. Most of Vivaldi’s music will fit too (and it’s usually a bit simpler than Bach’s). From the classics, earlier Mozart should work: a lot of it is steady in rhythm and full of arpeggios. Anything later than that (Beethoven, for example) would be trouble, IMHO.
It’s entirely your business, but I personally will never touch any romantics like Chopin or Rachmaninoff. Their music is very expressive and relies on constantly shifting tempos and uneven rhythms, with a wide dynamic range in melodies. If you cram it into the trance mould, you’ll take all life out of it. Just IMHO. Maybe you’ll prove me wrong. If you manage to get a good cover of romantics – I’ll be happy for you. May even buy it
BTW, here is a cover of Rachmaninoff – almost note for note! – with no attribution whatsoever. Outrageous rip-off!
Listen to this:
...and then to this:
*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Mar 30, 2010 04:29
I listen to a lot of classics.
love Bach;s music.
I started working on a psy version of Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 3..(not really for dancefloor. more psy-ambient, if i can say that) it proved immensely difficult and i realized i was a bit over-ambitious to start with. so i put it aside. still have the project file and will get back to it once i feel im ready for it).
think beethoven's ode to joy might be fun and not as difficult. but i'll only do it once i'm certain that i can do it in a way that compliment the genius of the man.
I listened to High Impact.
the man has got a very skilled hand.
as far as scales is concerned.
You can use SCALA http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/ to generate any less known note interval scales. to .scl files. there is thousands in the archive including some well-tempered ones.
You need a .scl to .tun converter. i found for free on the net. To convert the .scl file to .tun
Now. In Albino3 you can import this .TUN files into it and it changes your default Equal-tempered note intervals to anything you want..
I've been working on something in IndianD scale.
it weird,,with some of these scales, once you play around with it you'll notice that you'll have to find some other ways to compose music that is pleasing to the ears. other than normal major&minor variations.
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Posted : Mar 30, 2010 06:21
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On 2010-03-30 04:29, *eLliSDee* wrote:
think beethoven's ode to joy might be fun and not as difficult. but i'll only do it once i'm certain that i can do it in a way that compliment the genius of the man.
Funny you mentioned it! I often hear it in my head as an epic European trance piece. Sometimes I hear a track by Tiesto or Van Burren on a radio and catch myself thinking: “I’ve heard this before – as classical”. So, I am pretty sure they have done covers of classics. I can’t imagine Ode of Joy as a psy trance track, though.
But I think this was written with psy trance in mind – you can almost hear the kbbb backbone there
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I've been working on something in IndianD scale.
Can you (or somebody else) recommend a good introductory text on Arabic scales?
I listened to some classical song recordings from 1950s and kept thinking that some notes were off-key. Except they were “off-key” in the accompaniment too. Then somebody explained to me that Arabic scales use quarter-tone intervals. It’s interesting: when I listen to modern Arabic pop, my Western ears are at ease – but something important is missing from the music’s character. Well, most modern Arabic singers do not compare to the ones from 1950s – but that’s an entirely different issue. I think, Western scales somehow destroy the “Arabness” of this music. It becomes like California-produced Persian music – kinda original, but not really.
Sorry about babbling too much. I would appreciate if somebody gave me some pointers (other than Wikepedia).
Thanks.
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Posted : Mar 30, 2010 07:24
“Arabness” lol.
sry no idea on a text for arab scales.
but i agree. its not the same to apply the scale to a different tuning system as intended
I did research on indian music before i stared the project. learn what i can from the net.
its very difficult to find info for some of the scales in that scala archive. like on what instruments they were used and some history.
i haven't played around on the Arabic ones..
I am however very close to completing a psytrance tune thats entirely done with Pythagorean tuning. its been a very long work in progress
