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MEMORIAL WEEKEND: XEROX & ILLUMINATION LIVE, ELNADIV, KNO-B & SINPATEX.. FRI MAY 26 in NYC
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zumba
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Posted : May 26, 2006 21:10
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wish i could come hear kno-b!!
but for the time being.....i'm stuck in toronto!!boohoo!!
so much happening.....it's making me crrrrrazeeee!!
hahahahahaha!!
sorry to hear about moshe's family.hope things are better now.
all the best,guys!
peace & love!
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Psycosmo
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Posted : May 26, 2006 22:47
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On 2006-05-26 20:44, Elnadiv wrote:
Hey games,
The party steel cost money and we need to cover the cost,
Any way u get discount price or comp every time u come to the party, so please,,,,
If u would like to come to the party you are most welcome.
The party will be the same music as expected from both of them together.
If you send email with your full name u will get $5 off + the 5$ that we drop (after 12).
Please be supported. 
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Well since you bring it up I got comped the two times I spent mad hours helping you guys set up so I earned those comps,they dont really count as your generosity... Nice pun by the way... "games" lol. Nobody ever called my a game playa before but hey sometimes I just cant resist 
Oh and about being supportive... If I saw you supporting our local scene (ie having a good rotation of local djs, respecting the local talent that you do hire, et cetra), I would find it easier to support your efforts. 
Believe me... I want to be able to support you, I want to like you, but you have this way of making yourself difficult to like or support
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miEtek
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Posted : May 27, 2006 00:37
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boom blessed words psycosmo ,just try some locals dj belive me they got some followers.
booom have fun at this one
 na kopcu Kosciuszki za sterami Komandor.OrZech.. |
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Surrender
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Posted : May 28, 2006 22:54
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good words james.
i would like to add to the alladin prod. crew that to me you have always provided the bare minimum and never really strived for the maximum in your events. if its never compensating your crowd for parties that you have yourself stated you will after artists didnt come or parties got shutdown... etc etc. the feeling i get from your prod. crew was always of "what is the max. gain for alladin" and not a sense of community. to me the reason for some people going to your parties was that there currently is no other alternative for that type of music and not because they are actually of substance and vibe, a sort of - "its better then nothing" type of deal.
in my view, a true community organization would act diffrently then you, firstly will give local dj's pay and respect that they deserve, will give back to the people with the understanding of long term business vision and not a short term money making line of thought.
its funny, you ask people to be supportive to you, yet i remember clearly from the days i was part of a prod. crew (who you were your overshadowing rival), that you did anything but that... one of the best things that happend to you is that we stopped organizing parties because you "inherited" club exit, the place where youve been making parties in most often since. this isnt dirty laundry washing btw, im simply expressing my undersandting of the situation and giving some credible examples from what i know and remember best over the years... i can name many people who have been burned by u, both financially and mentally. but i wont since its their business with you not mine...
i never understood why you charge so much (other then plain greed) and you almost never give a live set from your artists - when the crowd clearly wants it over dj sets. still you charge the full live price for 50% of the name you publish as a confusing title (over and over again) where one is never sure if its a live or dj set and who is actually coming... always seems deceptive of you in my eyes, always seems planned in advance to gain the most by providing less and rounding corners.
i really dont wanna go on and on here, my life isnt in ny anymore and it isnt my business, i just care about the people there who come and pay for an experience that i believe should be different then the mainstream fist up the ass we get from soceity on a daily basis...
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Psycosmo
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Posted : May 29, 2006 00:05
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Hey thankyou for the support Gadi and Mietek...
Gadi, I do have to say that 1 thing you said isnt strictly true:
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Alladin Project did once throw a FREE party with VOID and TOXIC at the Frying pan when one of their parties got shut down, and that was after the headliner for that party kept playing at a private loft. I cannot think of an occasion where any other organizer has done the same. So it isnt strictly true that they have NEVER made it up to the community when something bad happened, just not the past few times.
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Surrender
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Posted : May 29, 2006 01:59
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On 2006-05-29 00:05, Psycosmo wrote:
Alladin Project did once throw a FREE party with VOID and TOXIC at the Frying pan when one of their parties got shut down, and that was after the headliner for that party kept playing at a private loft. I cannot think of an occasion where any other organizer has done the same. So it isnt strictly true that they have NEVER made it up to the community when something bad happened, just not the past few times.
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i stand corrected on that occurance.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Osher (Ananda Shake)
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Posted : May 29, 2006 02:31
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Hello looks power full party Hv Fun friends, XEROX & ILLUMINATION PERFECT PARTY!
New Album Coming Soon Ananda Shake - Inside The Sound. |
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SkyBluGoa
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Posted : May 29, 2006 03:49
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Hello, Osher, what have you been shaking? This party happened 2 days ago and without Xerox... 2 days agooo, on Friday and today is Sunday. Can you read? Hehehehehe
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EyalTov
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Posted : May 29, 2006 12:08
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Hey guys,
My name is Eyal (for the ones who doesn’t know me) I’m Elnadiv brother and own half of Alladin Project, I live in NY for the past 3 years and have been producing and promoting trance parties in NYC together with my brother.
For some reason 10% of the crowd in NY likes to complain and to see the empty part of the glass, instead of looking on the full part of the glass. In the beginning I took every word that been said here to my attention, but now I take only some.
Usually I don’t answer to the problematic 10 % because any ways they don’t come to the parties and they words not coming from a place that would like to improve and build a better scene its only to discriminate in order to do harm.
For example all the users that posted negative replays in this topic weren’t even at the party.
It seems childish to get in to details but if you want a child to understand, you need to go down to he’s level of language so here it is: from my knowledge most of the guys that are complaining are new to trance, 2-6 years maximum and this shows that for sure they have a big mouth and less knowledge.
James
You willingly helped me to hang for free some banners ONE time, I accepted your help and I thank you for it. That’s all there is to it. Don’t make it seem like the comp was a reward for your help. I comped your admissions price a party before the one that you helped, because I thought you are a good guy, nothing to do with you helping.
Gadi
All the local djs that played in our parties got paid, except the parties that we lost. I believe that when we let a local DJ play with a well known ARTIST the promotion that he is getting is his reward even though WE DO PAY THE LOCAL DJ’S.
Now if a Dj becomes an artist locally or not locally and bring people’s interest to hear him play, he will get the amount that he is asking no matter what, as long as it’s agreed.
You talking about us “inheriting” club exit, NOW I can see what this is all about, For some reason every chance you got to mention that you did. So yes you stopped making parties and the venue was available for booking so we booked it, is there some thing wrong with that? Do you want credits for that? Well sorry but you didn’t help us to book the place. But if it will make you feel better, then we’re happy with the place, it’s a good club. In the last 3 years that we have been making parties you only came a few times, but u didn’t forget to give your negative opinion in every party topic that we opened. On top of that you didn’t even give us the minimum of freedom in speech on responding to your replies by deleting our answers from the forum.
What is it jealousy? Are you envying in our persistence, in a position that you have failed?
When we talked not too long ago you told me that the reson that you stop making parties was that artists that are coming to play in the parties gets more money than organizers in NYC.
So U decided to be an artist. What happened? You lost in 2 or 3 parties and that’s it! Well we lost way more then that and we’ll not stop making parties!!!! This is my passion this is what I love to do.
Together with all the good people of NY we will embrace the local scene and enjoy life; in this chance I would like to thank the ones that supporting us .
In regards to live set or dj sets, usually when artists are coming to play dj sets they play an ARTIST set, meaning: they will play most of their own music. When artist play live set its almost the same music as DJ set, There are only a few artists in the world that plays ALL the sounds LIVE meaning creating ALL the sounds during the show. I’m personally like live sets ,
If the scene in NYC grows, (mining more people showing up to the parties) then it will justify into the expenses, and we will book only live sets (except of the local DJ’s that doesn’t have a live set yet).
You always talk about charging too much; well its all depends on the expenses of the individual production. According to my calculations we charged reasonable Price, Sometimes we charged even less then what we need to. Don’t forget that every party is not a one day’s work, it’s a month ahead of a lot of effort and work, you should know that.
For the 10% of the local users that are talking about supporting the locals,
why I don’t see you in the free events with the local dj’s that take place every week???? You know why? I know why, its because nothing will not make you happy free or with cover, international artists or local, live or DJ set, you don’t bother to show up but you do exist on isratrance lol. So my conclusion is that you are not meaningful and trustworthy you guys are just sitting all day on your ….. and talking nonsense on isratrance.
And last to all the good people that are supporting the scene and have a positive energy
just know that we are dedicated to gather people for the purpose of raising the awareness of the good feeling.
Good music and positive energy that is what we’re all about.
In production some times staff can go wrong but we are honest and we care about you guys more then our pockets. That’s why in the moment that we knew that Xerox would not be able to attend the party; you were the first to know, even that in business wise thinking, letting u know that one of the artist will not attend in the party is the same as shooting yourselves in the leg. We adjusted the price to the minimum that we could. In more then 30 parties that we did we had only 2 parties with problems like that and believe me it wasn’t depending on us.
Our vision is to create an experience of unique energy that will bring the hearts and minds of people to a place that connects to the source of inspiration through the pure and innovative electronic sounds of trance music.
We are planning some wicked line ups for this summer!!! And you are all welcome to attend and take part.
Peace Love ‘n Trance
Eyal
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Psychotic Pharmacist
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Posted : May 29, 2006 20:26
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I have always enjoyed your parties!
PEACE
DJ PSYCHOTIC BOOM
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SkyBluGoa
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Posted : May 29, 2006 22:56
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Eyal, don't you think you're crossing a line here? Most of the things you said is absolute BS. We gonna talk about it in private.
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EyalTov
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Posted : May 29, 2006 23:35
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Well I think gadi/surrender and few more users cross the line long time ago, the minimum that I can do is responding and sharing what’s on my heart and mind.
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Surrender
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Posted : May 30, 2006 08:38
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yes, i agree with you eyal - any critcism of your org. is indeed 'crossing the line'...  
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Psycosmo
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Posted : May 30, 2006 09:53
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why I don’t see you in the free events with the local dj’s that take place every week???? |
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*cough* *cough* Uhhh...Im not sure who you are referring to with this "10%" thing but I helped with the deco for the weekly almost every week for the past 8 months or so, meaning I was there and participating from start to finish. BTW how do you know who is and isnt at the free events, I only see you or your crew at them very occasionaly. If you guys had been there more often you might know more of these local djs.
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Right, I came to the club 10 hours before the party started and helped you so that you wouldnt have to set up all by your lonesome self. You are most welcome. That was fun, and BTW thanks for the burger you bought me after we were done setting up, and for the pancake breakfast that Elnadiv bought us all after the party.
At least on one thing though you are right: you did comp me the party before the one I helped, at the party where you asked me if I would like to help with your next party. Sorry, I really had forgotten about that comp. Since you say that I only helped ONE time it seems you also forgot about the time I helped you guys set up at the frying pan (remember that day when we were battling the wind to hang the banners??). That was a fun day wasn't it? |
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pontus
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Posted : May 30, 2006 19:32
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On 2006-05-29 12:08, EyalTov wrote:
in business wise thinking, letting u know that one of the artist will not attend in the party is the same as shooting yourselves in the leg.
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very edgy those chapters of business wise thinking!
I usually had a good time at your parties but this is not the point. Providing good music is far much easier than connecting people.
peace
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