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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Feb 9, 2013 16:59:43
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I have some doubts guys
for example... i have an Lead pad melody with some random 1/16th notes in a note scale following the bass line, then i alredy learned witch notes fit in the music scale...
Then i add another fast acid line using same notes and few others on different melody...
both of them sounds good alone, but when i fit it all with bassline its sound messy...i dont know with its my impression cause i always tent to not like my music but i dont know, i cant use the same nots on different ways with 3 melodies at same time and fit them in harmony? |
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Grevinsky
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Posted : Feb 9, 2013 17:40
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A lead pad melody is that, 3 synths or some triple combination i have not yet heard about  ?.
If you play the baseline alone how does it sound?.
Sometimes when you synthesized a baseline and you change the notes you also change the pitch of the base, and sometimes the low end get really fucked up by that.
I dont really understand what your asking.
You can fit 3 different melodies togheter, But just working out of a scale is not enough. The relation between the keys make certain "emotion", like for example a c and f# is very dissonant.
So in order to fit 3 melodies togheter you have to get em working togheter.
I dunno if i answering what you were asking, could you specify what you mean a little bit better?
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Feb 9, 2013 17:56
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On 2013-02-09 17:40, Grevinsky wrote:
A lead pad melody is that, 3 synths or some triple combination i have not yet heard about ?.
If you play the baseline alone how does it sound?.
Sometimes when you synthesized a baseline and you change the notes you also change the pitch of the base, and sometimes the low end get really fucked up by that.
I dont really understand what your asking.
You can fit 3 different melodies togheter, But just working out of a scale is not enough. The relation between the keys make certain "emotion", like for example a c and f# is very dissonant.
So in order to fit 3 melodies togheter you have to get em working togheter.
I dunno if i answering what you were asking, could you specify what you mean a little bit better?
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yes is about fitting 3 Leads in harmony you understood....
well im not soo good in producing, i think i will have alot of problems to make this melodies fit...
im asking that cause im trying to produce goa trance...
and normaly you got this Gate pads making the base melodie, then you got this alien acid leads in 1/16 poping, than u got some really strong arpeggiator (or not,can be a 1/16 Pad)....
all this to make a strong melody and psychedelic....
but like u said, if i have to listen both leads while mounting them i will have problem...i tought only using the same scale note i would have no problem...
sorry for my english im brazilian |
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Fakso
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Posted : Feb 9, 2013 18:17
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Well I struggled with melodies but durijng the last weeks I read an interesting page which enlightend things a bit dunno if it fits goa trance
So there is a "melody" which is the chord prgression of the track...you can play that by hitting all notes of a chord or play them one after another (I guess that the melody which occures most in a track is mostly the chord progression?)
so when you have your chord you want to add another element(melody) e.g a pad...so what to do now is to try what fits, just one "rule" for that: the melody must contain notes from the chord
e.g: key is Em (e minor) so you have a simple chord progression in which each note is played alone after another....the added melody now has to contain an e or g or b (and the when the progression goes on maybe notes from the other chords) but also things like an f#, you have to try if it fits but some notes from the chord are very important I would say, as it works for me very well to create harmony between melodies
so when you have and e minor chord playing, you add a melodie with an e an a then b and then f# for instance (dunno if this is harmonic, you just have to try, but if you play only notes from the chord while a chord is playing you just have another chord, which will sound fine too I guess)
also do not forget to spread your melodies on diffrent octaves, if all melodies play in C3 octave they all fight for frequencies thus muddy mix and shitty sound |
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Padmapani
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Posted : Feb 9, 2013 18:23
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i'm also making goa trance and having different melodies play at the same is essential, so what i do is play those i already have and jam on my midi keyboard to that. what you can also do is thinking of a chord progression and use only notes in the chord that would be playing at a time. |
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Feb 9, 2013 18:37
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On 2013-02-09 18:23, Padmapani wrote:
so what i do is play those i already have and jam on my midi keyboard to that.
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you mean, play the notes u got on the other melody and jam on my midi keyboard? what u mean "jam on my midi keyboard"...
you mean u use the same notes improvising diferently? u got music on ur soundcloud? |
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Feb 9, 2013 18:40
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On 2013-02-09 18:17, Fakso wrote:
Well I struggled with melodies but durijng the last weeks I read an interesting page which enlightend things a bit dunno if it fits goa trance
So there is a "melody" which is the chord prgression of the track...you can play that by hitting all notes of a chord or play them one after another (I guess that the melody which occures most in a track is mostly the chord progression?)
so when you have your chord you want to add another element(melody) e.g a pad...so what to do now is to try what fits, just one "rule" for that: the melody must contain notes from the chord
e.g: key is Em (e minor) so you have a simple chord progression in which each note is played alone after another....the added melody now has to contain an e or g or b (and the when the progression goes on maybe notes from the other chords) but also things like an f#, you have to try if it fits but some notes from the chord are very important I would say, as it works for me very well to create harmony between melodies
so when you have and e minor chord playing, you add a melodie with an e an a then b and then f# for instance (dunno if this is harmonic, you just have to try, but if you play only notes from the chord while a chord is playing you just have another chord, which will sound fine too I guess)
also do not forget to spread your melodies on diffrent octaves, if all melodies play in C3 octave they all fight for frequencies thus muddy mix and shitty sound
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interesting the idea of chord progression...
but my melodies notes mostly got 5,6 notes,more than an chord that seams to sound a little bit repetitive cause is only 3 notes...
well my pads have mostly 3 notes...but that is a RIFF with long notes, im talking about arpeggiator stuff, many 1/16 notes like Filteria sound....i love this dude |
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Fakso
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Posted : Feb 9, 2013 19:01
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On 2013-02-09 18:40, luizwilhelm wrote:
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On 2013-02-09 18:17, Fakso wrote:
Well I struggled with melodies but durijng the last weeks I read an interesting page which enlightend things a bit dunno if it fits goa trance
So there is a "melody" which is the chord prgression of the track...you can play that by hitting all notes of a chord or play them one after another (I guess that the melody which occures most in a track is mostly the chord progression?)
so when you have your chord you want to add another element(melody) e.g a pad...so what to do now is to try what fits, just one "rule" for that: the melody must contain notes from the chord
e.g: key is Em (e minor) so you have a simple chord progression in which each note is played alone after another....the added melody now has to contain an e or g or b (and the when the progression goes on maybe notes from the other chords) but also things like an f#, you have to try if it fits but some notes from the chord are very important I would say, as it works for me very well to create harmony between melodies
so when you have and e minor chord playing, you add a melodie with an e an a then b and then f# for instance (dunno if this is harmonic, you just have to try, but if you play only notes from the chord while a chord is playing you just have another chord, which will sound fine too I guess)
also do not forget to spread your melodies on diffrent octaves, if all melodies play in C3 octave they all fight for frequencies thus muddy mix and shitty sound
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interesting the idea of chord progression...
but my melodies notes mostly got 5,6 notes,more than an chord that seams to sound a little bit repetitive cause is only 3 notes...
well my pads have mostly 3 notes...but that is a RIFF with long notes, im talking about arpeggiator stuff, many 1/16 notes like Filteria sound....i love this dude
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Well the chord is mostly 3 notes, but your melodies you added just should CONTAIN SOME notes of the chord...you can add whatever you like from the scale(as long as it sounds harmonic then) but some of the notes should be from the chord which is playing simultaniously |
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Padmapani
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Posted : Feb 10, 2013 17:29
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On 2013-02-09 18:23, Padmapani wrote:
so what i do is play those i already have and jam on my midi keyboard to that.
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you mean, play the notes u got on the other melody and jam on my midi keyboard? what u mean "jam on my midi keyboard"...
you mean u use the same notes improvising diferently? u got music on ur soundcloud?
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improvise! you might start by playing the other melody and end up with something completely different. but however you do it, you'll eventually end up with something cool, then just record it, tweak it and you're done 
i don't have anything up on soundcloud, that's not at least a few years old |
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Feb 12, 2013 20:41
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On 2013-02-09 18:17, Fakso wrote:
Well I struggled with melodies but durijng the last weeks I read an interesting page which enlightend things a bit dunno if it fits goa trance
So there is a "melody" which is the chord prgression of the track...you can play that by hitting all notes of a chord or play them one after another (I guess that the melody which occures most in a track is mostly the chord progression?)
so when you have your chord you want to add another element(melody) e.g a pad...so what to do now is to try what fits, just one "rule" for that: the melody must contain notes from the chord
e.g: key is Em (e minor) so you have a simple chord progression in which each note is played alone after another....the added melody now has to contain an e or g or b (and the when the progression goes on maybe notes from the other chords) but also things like an f#, you have to try if it fits but some notes from the chord are very important I would say, as it works for me very well to create harmony between melodies
so when you have and e minor chord playing, you add a melodie with an e an a then b and then f# for instance (dunno if this is harmonic, you just have to try, but if you play only notes from the chord while a chord is playing you just have another chord, which will sound fine too I guess)
also do not forget to spread your melodies on diffrent octaves, if all melodies play in C3 octave they all fight for frequencies thus muddy mix and shitty sound
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the kinda of melody youre talking about its Long notes like... C-----------------D-----------E-----------------
this is no problem, the problem is the drones like ...cccdccceccedccceddceccccc...
if you use only 3 notes chord it sounds boring....
what im trying to do is arpeggiators without an arpeggiator...
but with the tips u guys gave me im experimenting it |
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Fakso
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Posted : Feb 12, 2013 20:59
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On 2013-02-09 18:17, Fakso wrote:
Well I struggled with melodies but durijng the last weeks I read an interesting page which enlightend things a bit dunno if it fits goa trance
So there is a "melody" which is the chord prgression of the track...you can play that by hitting all notes of a chord or play them one after another (I guess that the melody which occures most in a track is mostly the chord progression?)
so when you have your chord you want to add another element(melody) e.g a pad...so what to do now is to try what fits, just one "rule" for that: the melody must contain notes from the chord
e.g: key is Em (e minor) so you have a simple chord progression in which each note is played alone after another....the added melody now has to contain an e or g or b (and the when the progression goes on maybe notes from the other chords) but also things like an f#, you have to try if it fits but some notes from the chord are very important I would say, as it works for me very well to create harmony between melodies
so when you have and e minor chord playing, you add a melodie with an e an a then b and then f# for instance (dunno if this is harmonic, you just have to try, but if you play only notes from the chord while a chord is playing you just have another chord, which will sound fine too I guess)
also do not forget to spread your melodies on diffrent octaves, if all melodies play in C3 octave they all fight for frequencies thus muddy mix and shitty sound
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the kinda of melody youre talking about its Long notes like... C-----------------D-----------E-----------------
this is no problem, the problem is the drones like ...cccdccceccedccceddceccccc...
if you use only 3 notes chord it sounds boring....
what im trying to do is arpeggiators without an arpeggiator...
but with the tips u guys gave me im experimenting it
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No, I am not talking about long notes, the lenth doesn't matter, and its not about chord progression either what I said, I said your NEW MELODY YOU WANT TO ADD should contain notes from your chord progression to sound harmonic together, they will sound fine when they are played alone too....I hope you understand what I meant because you don't seem to get it |
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Feb 13, 2013 01:46
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On 2013-02-09 18:17, Fakso wrote:
Well I struggled with melodies but durijng the last weeks I read an interesting page which enlightend things a bit dunno if it fits goa trance
So there is a "melody" which is the chord prgression of the track...you can play that by hitting all notes of a chord or play them one after another (I guess that the melody which occures most in a track is mostly the chord progression?)
so when you have your chord you want to add another element(melody) e.g a pad...so what to do now is to try what fits, just one "rule" for that: the melody must contain notes from the chord
e.g: key is Em (e minor) so you have a simple chord progression in which each note is played alone after another....the added melody now has to contain an e or g or b (and the when the progression goes on maybe notes from the other chords) but also things like an f#, you have to try if it fits but some notes from the chord are very important I would say, as it works for me very well to create harmony between melodies
so when you have and e minor chord playing, you add a melodie with an e an a then b and then f# for instance (dunno if this is harmonic, you just have to try, but if you play only notes from the chord while a chord is playing you just have another chord, which will sound fine too I guess)
also do not forget to spread your melodies on diffrent octaves, if all melodies play in C3 octave they all fight for frequencies thus muddy mix and shitty sound
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the kinda of melody youre talking about its Long notes like... C-----------------D-----------E-----------------
this is no problem, the problem is the drones like ...cccdccceccedccceddceccccc...
if you use only 3 notes chord it sounds boring....
what im trying to do is arpeggiators without an arpeggiator...
but with the tips u guys gave me im experimenting it
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No, I am not talking about long notes, the lenth doesn't matter, and its not about chord progression either what I said, I said your NEW MELODY YOU WANT TO ADD should contain notes from your chord progression to sound harmonic together, they will sound fine when they are played alone too....I hope you understand what I meant because you don't seem to get it
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Now i get it, im brazilian and i get confused with "psytrance" terms...
if u have interest u can listen my 2 last songs on soundcloud, i like to hear some opinion if you dont mind it
https://soundcloud.com/luizfernandowilhelm/mechanical-civilizations
https://soundcloud.com/luizfernandowilhelm/inner-conection-1 |
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