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Max/Msp And psytrance.
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Psyrap
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Posted : Dec 5, 2005 03:29
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This week i went to this live electronic gig, and one of the bands(my mate) was using max msp for his live set, his patch consisted of 8 channels playing loops and shit load of midi controls that he can assign to any loop he wants, he was controling some of the sounds with joystick which made an incredible effect. with his keyboards depends which number you choose 1-9, once you press a number the beat kind of goes into a repeat until you let go, the number controls the speed of the repeat, this effect is great for Break-Beat.
My question is, does any one know if any artist uses Max MSP for his live sets? or production?
iv been building patches for the last two years and the sounds this program makes is more psycadelic then anything i have seen much like reaktor i guess which is also great for live, check this out:
http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=timexile_us&nitr=1&l_src=reaktor5press_us&tsr_id=34002
i keep seeing it more and more in use as it gives much more control over the music which makes it i guess more live and interesting.
anyone up for the challange???
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Fugga
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Posted : Dec 5, 2005 15:51
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max msp rocks ! but i would not use it live.. sketchy |
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JaLi
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Posted : Dec 5, 2005 17:41
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max/msp rocks indeed..
It is a very very powerful tool and you can do whatever you can imagine(eh..well...).
If you are using it in windows enviroment its more likely that it will crash frequently.On a mac its better.
I have been taught the use of max msp for a couple of years in uni mostly for electroacoustic music.
Its amazing how many things you can do for controling live parameters in very weird ways...
Recently I used a camera with jitter so the parametres can change according to the colour that
the camera received.It was realy cool.
Now,talking bout psy..
It is generally better to prerecord the output of it and then importing it in your project.If you want
to play live with it you should pay much attention to "tuning" your patch very accurately otherwise you could end up crashing or de-synchronising.
The program to use in order to connect joysticks to max is called junction but I thing is a bit hard to find.
There is another device(which is expensive and i dont remember its name  ) that you can connect other types of controlers..
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JaLi
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Posted : Dec 5, 2005 17:45
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Ah..Also a friend of mine did a project for uni..
He got some small bending sensors and attached them
to gloves then routed them through a controler box(handmade) and then patched that through msp..
The patch that he is making now is very cool as well..
He calls the project "the conductor's hands" 
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Psyrap
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 00:19
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i use it on windows and yes it can crash but it crashes usually becuase cpu overload, there is always a solution for that you just have know what you did wrong and fix it in the patch. there is no reason why a lot of artists in diffrent scenes would use it and someone in psy wouldnt, as i sayed i think it can just make live better, but maybe it wrong for this scene??
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the daleks
The Daleks
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 08:25
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it can just make live better, but maybe it wrong for this scene??
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nah, i dont think it would be right or wrong for any particular scene, just the issue of how to use it live stably is of concern. no one wants to even take a chance of crashing their computer during a party. if you have, hee-hee, then you know how much it sucks..
i think the producer community wants to be as conservative as possible with live/trance sets, to the point some people just push play on a cd. and this is understandable when a reputation is at stake.
the question with MAX MSP is: do the advanced features outweigh the possibility of it crashing, or is it better to use something more stably tested. if so, then there is the issue of having things be too complicated during a live set. i have found in my own experience that although at first i wanted to control ALL parameters, and had tons of outboard shite, that eventually, i found i didnt touch half the stuff during a live set, and conversely too many things too control ended up being more confusing in the long run. better to have your set tight, with a few lead instruments to play with like the pros do, then to try and do it all live
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JaLi
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Posted : Dec 6, 2005 16:05
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You still have to make a performance though..Specialy
if you are 2 persons in the group you can do lots of stuff.You are right you have to keep it safe sometimes at the same time though show some performance skill
as well.
We should keep on experimenting.Not only with composing but with every other aspect of music making.Push the limits
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the daleks
The Daleks
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Posted : Dec 7, 2005 13:53
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agreed 100%
i am only one now, so i try to keep it simple enough, but not as simple as just pressing play 
just in case though, i usually try to bring a backup mix to cd, so if the shit hits the fan, i can always pull something off
but yeah, definitely need performance aspect. some of my friends (lunatic thunder) use just CD with some live instruments or turntables, but i think thats kind of weak...
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