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Spindrift
Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 8, 2005 19:25
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Most trance releases is mastered by an artists without 5yrs of university.
Sure it aint very easy, but neither is producing.
To give the advice to someone who is interested in trying to learn it that "just leave it, because you cannot be good at it" is quite boring and un useful.
If you feel that you cannot possibly get good at it that doesn't mean that noone else can.
I really think that every trance artists should have a basic clue about mastering. Just to have a basic idea about what can be done with mastering and to have copies to play if the track is not released or before it's released.
At least a bit of careful limiting and a little look in a spectrum analyzer when completing a track will not hurt even if you are not a mastering master.
Of course many people view the mastering as the difference beteen their tracks and pro releases, and thats just fooling yourself.
Well produced tracks hardly needs anything done to them when mastering beides maybe a tiny bit of limiting to bring up the level to max.
So if your tracks does not sound good when trying to just turn your amp to a level where you have the same percived loudness as a good sounding production, you are having problems with your sounds and/or mix.
Really good mastering can patch it up a bit, but it will never sound as good as if you got it right when making the track.
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XrTC
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Posted : Feb 9, 2005 21:17
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i agree spindrift, with every point. but he says "proper and professional" mastering. so, although everyone should have a basic clue about mastering, that's not the case here.
and i also agree with psypox. "proper and professional mastering" does not start in isratrance, and IMHO not with waves plugins etc. it just happens to take a lot more than that... 
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Feb 11, 2005 21:48
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ok guys , pls tell me on this ....
my mixdown tracks sound as loud as most released music ... and crystal clear clarity ... so im very sure my mixing is very good ... but then what else mastering can be done to it ?? |
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Fingax
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Posted : Feb 11, 2005 23:11
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On 2005-02-11 21:48, WAVELOGIX wrote:
ok guys , pls tell me on this ....
my mixdown tracks sound as loud as most released music ... and crystal clear clarity ... so im very sure my mixing is very good ... but then what else mastering can be done to it ??
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the very main point about making a Master is not GIVE LODENESS TO A TRACK. but is to MAKE IT SOUND THE SAME IN ANY SPEACKERS!!
Never forget this basic thing. So now on u dont need to worry if your tracks are not so loud as a realesed mastered track. it will be if u have a good mix and want to masterit.
i know i could give some limiter or compress my tracks any time i want. but i also know that if i just worry about making a good mix sounding as much near ( loudness & clarity) as a mastered track but always without limiter or compressors that will "ruin" my track sound carachteristic. i know it will be louder but i just dont give a damn.. btw i always send my tracks to an engeneering to let him tack care of the "loudness" and weight of the track.
So it always depend what your looking for...
hope it helped..
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Fingax
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Posted : Feb 11, 2005 23:14
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On 2005-02-09 21:17, XrTC wrote:
i agree spindrift, with every point. but he says "proper and professional" mastering. so, although everyone should have a basic clue about mastering, that's not the case here.
and i also agree with psypox. "proper and professional mastering" does not start in isratrance, and IMHO not with waves plugins etc. it just happens to take a lot more than that...
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waves plugins are very good for mastering pruposes..
Lots of very succesfull artists/engeneering use it and advice to use it.
im not very shure about what u said. just dont make's sence with what i've been reading.
My advice is to take a look in the waves web site and see what the real professionals tell about it 
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XrTC
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Posted : Feb 21, 2005 04:46
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hehe i am using waves plugins myself, and what i wrote has nothing to do with them being good or bad. my point was that waves plugins won't automatically make someone capable of "proper and professional mastering". you also need good ears, proper studio (with balanced acoustics) and years of experience.
hope i cleared up the 'missunderstanding'
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Ronaron303
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Posted : Feb 21, 2005 08:05
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Ok guys i have nice idea ,lets all of as chek the second edition(book) of Anthony Egizii(Guru (or more than that )of Waves plugins).
http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=675
This second edition(book), include 7cds and alot of information on how to mix and produse(master)your own mAterial .
Iam shure that all of as have the right sourse to find it (it will be nice start to know more about dArk forest) |
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koalakube
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 10:02
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dunno.its not reading 1000 books that will teach u how to master a track,even if yes it will help.
I think mastering is one of those things you were born for or you will never excel at.
But whats the fuss about?why it seems like everyone is trying to say they are good enuff to do it?
Leave it to who has spent 20-30 years of their life doing it,and keep on producing instead.A well mix down track is good enuff for clubs (which are in mono) and most of stereos.
Just my thought.
Also,as already somebody else pointed out earlier,mastering is not done in order to achieve max loudness.
Mastering is done to make a track sound right in any kind of PA\stereos bla bla bla.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 13:34
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@koalacube
Sure it's nice with really good mastering specialists that spent 20-30 years doing it.
Fact is that you find very few labels in the trance scene that can afford someone who have that experience and is both really good at it and understands trance music.
If you been mastering pop for 30 years it don't neccessarily make you good at mastering trance.
That is the reason why pretty much all trance releases is mastered by artists nowadays.
As well as the fact that there is amazing plugins that beat most hardware available as well of course.
For example one of the artists who also do mastering and was according to one thread here at least seen by many as one of the best at mastering in the scene.
When I sent 24 bit files he did not know how to open it, and had no clue what dithering was.
So I doubt he studied a lot or have that much experience.
But people obviously seem to think he has a good ear for mastering and thats what counts in the end.
When I heard people that have experience with mastering mainstream material trying to do trance the result was far from satisfactory on the other hand.
And I totally agree that mastering is not about max loudness.
It's about getting a level that is in line with other releases. They are often pretty loud nowadays, but many times I find that you can easily make the tracks sound even louder than other releases without artifacts.
But instead of pushing it as much as you can while still sounding good you should compare with other relases and try to get the same percieved level.
For me my opinion about if most realeases is to loud or to low doesn't really count.
That they are similar level is the most important.
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koalakube
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 16:47
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I was just making at example.
But you are wrong when you say "if you have been mastering pop......."
There is not such a thing as mastering a genre of music,if you state that it means you dont really know whats all about.Either someone knows how to master, or doesnt.Its about frequencies and responses.Its not about pop or trance.
For all the rest.....I agree more or less ;-) |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 19:07
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There is definalty mastering engineers working with mainstream music that mostly master rock music for example.
Sure many of the top engineers have probably touched on most types of music.
So it's a bit different from producing in that sense where you have rock producers, RnB producers etc.
But you still find that many mastering engineers will mostly get jobs for certain tyopes of releases.
Especially when it comes to genres that are a bit different than your regular smooth pop and RnB radio stuff.
Rock and dance music is good examples.
And give a darkpsy CD to Bob Katz to master and I think he will think WTF, I ain't working with this stuff.
You have to understand the music to do a good job, and I doubt that many major league mastering engineers would really feel they can do their best with a lot of trance that is released.
And when I did hear masters from experienced engineers that was not used to dance music I thought the level was a bit lower than many other trance masters.
Sure you can be purist and say that most trance masters is too squashed.
But the DJ's will not listen and understand you arguements. The do complain if they notice that your release is not the same loudness as other releases.
And the home listeners tend to not like to have to change the volume control because a track you mastered have generally lower levels.
In the end people will not compare their dark night compilation to britney when listening. The will expect it to sound like other trance CD's.
So I do think that it's much better if you can find an engineer that is familiar with the type of music you are making if it's a specialized style like trance.
And if you think that all music should be mastered in the same way, then I recommend a carrier in mastering classical music.
That is damned easy job....actually it's no job at all.
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Ronaron303
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Posted : Feb 22, 2005 19:19
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Hey Koalakube that book is also a good course ,and not just for beginners ---------"Fantastic course! It was great to actually hear and isolate particular techniques that I'd read about but was never sure if I was applying correctly
in my mixes. This has really filled in a lot of the gaps in my knowledge and affirmed a few things that I thought I was doing right but couldn't be certain."(from waves Web site)------
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For those ,who dont have realy idea in mastering ,there is recomendation to chek this edition(and for shure it not going to give you all knowlege ,that engineers have been learning years and years:) but some basics (for example which plugins from Waves ,to use in mastering and what to set on them)
So,chek and some where in the future maybe ,You,ging to be that SuperMega expierensed engineer with 20 or 30 years background. |
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koalakube
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Posted : Feb 24, 2005 07:10
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@Ronaron303
Yep im sure it is helpful,didnt mean to diss your comment,sorry m(_ _)m
@Spindrift
Sorry but i cant agree.
Its not about purist or not.I assume you know what you are talking about as much as i do.And i think you got my point as well as i got yours.....but we may go on forever debating about this issue ........
different opinions maybe ;-)
again we may be going off topic here ....
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Ronaron303
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Posted : Feb 24, 2005 14:53
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