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olivier
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Posted : Jan 6, 2005 21:57
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On 2005-01-06 19:10, Zombi wrote:
Side-A - i realy dont know shit about mastering, but im sure you will agree there is possibility to master track for best home listening and for best condition for djs ? its suppose to be like that no ? both will be very good mastered, the difference will be the right adaptation for different kind of PA that will be play the track..
so what GU do thats make 2 different kind of mastering for different kind of PA, i guess this UK sound engineers know what they do;)
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maybe... i ain't a sound engineer either 
but when u master a track on professional monitors, it's supposed to fit any kind of sound system, from hifi to huge PA ... if the mastering is good on the pro monitors , it will be good everywhere , hi fi or big PA...
but there is surely the possibility to optimize a mastering for hifi with probably less sub-bass, and more sub-bass for big PA
it's just that i find it weird because a mastering is supposed to keep the nature of the sound of the original track,and with 2 different types of mastering i guess there will be one of these 2 that will not take so care of the nature of the original track and so not really respecting the artist original sound
but again, i'm not a sound engineer so ...  |
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Silent Scream
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Posted : Jan 6, 2005 22:05
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u guys talking abotu the mastering like its the actual mix...it doesnt make any big diffence...its the mix that matters...mastering is done on the alredy mixed master wave.
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olivier
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Posted : Jan 6, 2005 22:12
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On 2005-01-06 22:05, Silent Scream wrote:
u guys talking abotu the mastering like its the actual mix......it doesnt make any big diffence...
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we are talking about the mastering part and not about the mixing part !
indeed it doesn't make any big difference if it's a good mastering, but it does make a big difference if the mastering is not good... |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 6, 2005 22:46
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H2O
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Posted : Jan 6, 2005 23:33
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I think Silent Scream has truth in his words. When we hear music we tend to think it is mastering the process done to make track sounding that way, usually it is a mix. Music done nowadays is faking of big artists. So prolly can be a point of faking sound as well.
Here i'm with Spindrift, there are alot of reasons to make dancefloor music loud, psytrance in fact is dancefloor. |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 6, 2005 23:49
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Why not just turn the volume up? I don't understand why dancefloor music needs to be "loud" i.e. heavily compressed. There's probably a reason for this, so what is it guys? Edumacate.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 00:21
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If you have a massive PA with a lot of extra capacity or a very good set of monitors with a hefty amp it can be nice to have some transients even in genres like rock or trance.
Fact is that most PA systems and hi-fi systems don't have that over capacity and the peaks will instead be limited or end up distorting.
If you instead remove the peaks in a mastering process the DJ will not turn up the fader so the mixer distort or the limiters get activated because the percieved loudness in the signal will be louder.
But I can agree that in an ideal world everyone would use over-dimensioned systems and we could have a lot more gentle mastering.
Also in the arrangements dance music is just less dynamic.
The reason you don't compress your classical music for example is that you have passages that is supposed to be very quiet.
You would end up with too much noise in the quiet parts and destroy the feeling.
The dynamic parts in tracks for the dancefloor, intro or breaks, rarely manage to grab peoples attention as a suttle part in classical music.
If one longish part sound more quiet the DJ will end up pushing up the fader because people is looking around wondering why it don't sound loud enough.
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H2O
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 03:16
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To force Spindrift's wise arguments, i will add :
If there won't be standard for sound design, which prolly global loudness level, HOW do you think Dj will make each track sound same volume and equalization in short time he/she has to mix?
If everyone will do whatever he wants to, then music won't be attraction for mass listening, clubs, parties ...etc.
I agree here with Zombi a bit, there must be at least two versions of music aka home listening and mass listening. Although in psychedelic scene, labels do not make alot of money, they are unable to release two or three versions. Just take a look how much psychedelic music being pirated compared to other styles. Djs play mp3 all around even if they decoded it from mp3 to wav, it still mp3. |
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 03:30
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Personally I think the music industry needs to make an industry wide decision on the acceptable levels of CD releases, much as the film industry did. Somewhere there is a great article on how that decision helped the audio industry inside the film world a lot by enabling the audio team to focus on making everything sound good with in the accepted limits, rather than try and out loud everyone. The loudness race in the music industry has really gone over the top, but in the end it is self destructive as releases across the board get more and more unlistenable.
As for separate mastering for the dancefloor, sorry I don't buy that one bit. If a dj needs a separate mastering job for the volume of his cds I think he should go spin some other vinyl based genre for a year or so to learn how to deal with the wide range of volume and dynamics that vinyl djs have to deal with from record to record. They seem to handle it fine, so why to psy-djs need a crutch from the "industry".
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H2O
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 04:19
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Movie industry heh, are Indian movies and "Hollywood" movies have same sound layout? jeez it is the same as in music. more money = possibly more quality. Movie and Game industry has different purpose of sound which is visionary aid nor audible thus mastering means here a different task by attracting with sound to frames. Moreover i've never heard movie with psychedelic layout (30+ audio channels).
Dj task is to mix music, feel the crowd but not to masterize track live in club. |
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 07:45
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 08:08
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Film music and sounds are like classical music, it needs a wide range of dynamics to grab attention and make tension.
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 08:20
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Nomis
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 12:55
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it's importent to notice that most of the sound work done before the mastering.
the mastering itself is a very small part of the sound built.
anyway, when you make good sound with all the tools gos gave you before the mastering and you do all things right then there is not much things to do with the mastering.
some times it's just giving the same level to thae tracks , and giving the sound of the tracks the same color, or just a bit retune of the EQ.
after all mastering is not the music itself.
another thing. in out scene the writing of the music and the mix become one thing, the techniuqe of the artist is been watched in few levels:
1.the music it self.
2. the sounds that been used there.
3. the production (mix, effects and all the other shit)
thats all, nothing left to say for me 
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 13:09
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People people people also don't forget that you can masterize and masterize and compress and decompress and add volume, dynamics, whatever you want...
...if the seed, the track has no flow, no groOve, no energy, no nothing... The master can't make any miracle..
BTW reading this post prooves again that there are different way to "live" the Psytrance, we have freaks that use to listen to some psytrance everyday at home, and we have people that keep it for their outings at parties.. That makes the big difference, and therefore comes the argument dealing with "two masterings"...
I assume that the labels (maybe not all of them) know why they are releasing Music, and therefore are able to decide what "kind" of master they'll contact...
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