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Basilisk
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Posted : Nov 29, 2004 19:34
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Another "master" topic with a different focus... I'd like to hear what people's opinions are on the various people doing mastering in the scene. There are a few artists doing this out of their studio that I can think of off the top of my head:
- Son Kite / Hi-Hat Studios
- Four Carry Nuts
- Triptych
- Ololiuqui/AM Synaptik (for ZMA recs usually)
- and many others (sometimes at the label's in-house studio for example)...
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 29, 2004 19:41
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as long as it sounds good baba.. and at best mastering is 10% of the album, it's the music that matters the most..
 "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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blueOrb
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Posted : Nov 29, 2004 19:54
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 29, 2004 20:55
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Lior Perlmutter makes good sound 
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psypox
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Posted : Nov 29, 2004 21:10
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On 2004-11-29 19:41, traveller wrote:
as long as it sounds good baba.. and at best mastering is 10% of the album, it's the music that matters the most..
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i cant agree with you.. a good mastering can make a track MUCH MUCH better!
Moses does some awsome mastering 
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Nov 29, 2004 21:26
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no you can make the perfect and clearest sound but it can be very boring |
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Surrender
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Posted : Nov 29, 2004 21:32
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On 2004-11-29 19:41, traveller wrote:
as long as it sounds good baba.. and at best mastering is 10% of the album, it's the music that matters the most..
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i dont think you know what youre saying traveller... composing a track may take less then the actual mix/master.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Top-down
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Posted : Nov 30, 2004 01:09
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... composing a track may take less then the actual mix/master.
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If the track was composed bad, than, yes it'll take you years to mix/master it to come out even average.
P.S. Basilisk, sorry for continuing the "move"
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Posted : Nov 30, 2004 01:13
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I don't think mastering can be artistic. It is more like to paint the house - sure one does better job than another...
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traveller
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Posted: Nov 30, 2004
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On 2004-11-29 21:32, Surrender wrote:
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On 2004-11-29 19:41, traveller wrote:
as long as it sounds good baba.. and at best mastering is 10% of the album, it's the music that matters the most..
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i dont think you know what youre saying traveller... composing a track may take less then the actual mix/master.
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If it's full on that is most likely the case..
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Surrender
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Posted : Nov 30, 2004 03:18
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If it's full on that is most likely the case..
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2nd time im asking you today to practice respect to others when posting in isratrance... is it too much to ask of you?
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Surrender
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Posted : Nov 30, 2004 03:32
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Basilik, i dont understand what kind of responses youre looking for from people who are not involved in production in some way. most of your replies in my opinion would not be accurate to your question, since most people dont know how difficult it is to compose/mix anything. a clean mix/master is something that for artists takes time to learn, it also seperates some from others. i thought u wanted some more involved answers so your thread was moved to the equipment section, but u wish to have it here... so please tell me where you are going with this? im curious
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 30, 2004 03:42
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On 2004-11-30 03:18, Surrender wrote:
2nd time im asking you today to practice respect to others when posting in isratrance... is it too much to ask of you?
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No it's not. But umm anyways one shouldn't take me too seriosly, not all the time. All I'm saying really is that I don't give a shit about the mastering as long as the music (melodies, composition, beats & so on) are good. Well I do care for that 10%. Besides today the mastering is always "crystal clear" and whatever, unless the music is homemade or something so I don't really see a point to this thread in the first place. Well apart from the question I guess. Any styles I prefer or dislike. I hate it when some put way, way too much emphasis on the bass and umm on the other hand I don't like it too much either when the music comes out flat or too high pitched
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Basilisk
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Posted : Nov 30, 2004 06:55
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On 2004-11-30 03:32, Surrender wrote:
Basilik, i dont understand what kind of responses youre looking for from people who are not involved in production in some way. most of your replies in my opinion would not be accurate to your question, since most people dont know how difficult it is to compose/mix anything. a clean mix/master is something that for artists takes time to learn, it also seperates some from others. i thought u wanted some more involved answers so your thread was moved to the equipment section, but u wish to have it here... so please tell me where you are going with this? im curious |
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No, I'm asking it as a general question to receive general opinion. I'm sure someone technically qualified could say X sounds better than Y, and that's okay. But much in the way that we discuss our opinions of artists and songs, I thought we could throw in a few chips on the mastering subject. I myself am not greatly knowledgable with the technical side, but can tell a few differences between the work from these studios. Some sound "good" and some "bad". It has actually come to my attention because I own a few albums where I enjoy the composition but find there is something peculiar about the sound... connecting the dots between these releases I found some of them were mastered by the same studio. Then I got to thinking that I never really see people discussing the mastering studios the same way one might with artists or labels, but there could be some potential conversation from that. Most of all I figured I wouldn't wake up with a dead horse in my bed so it was worth trying does it seem weird? Mastering is an element of trance releases as are the packaging, cover designs, etc - and those are all discussed here. Anyway... just seeing what people have to say on the topic - I don't think qualifications are necessary to have an opinion though they can support one.
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Nov 30, 2004 11:36
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Personally I feel a lot (not all) of the labels in psy are starting to fall victim to a problem that has been plaguing the mastering community for awhile now, know as the loudness race. The volume on cds keeps getting louder and louder, while at the same time destroying most of the dynamics of the original music.
This is one of the reasons why in just about all genre's of music, cds are getting harder and harder to listen to for long periods of time. Everyone is concerned that their cd is as loud as, or louder than, everyone else, but the end result is simply dynamically flat releases that are over compressed, grating to the ears and just plain hard to enjoy for long periods of time (don't believe me, search the music making forum and read all the comments floating around about how you have to use compression here there and everywhere (usually at pretty heavy ratios), and you have to get good mastering to get your tracks louder, etc). I recently have been noticing how, while I actually find I enjoy a lot of new psy-tracks out there, I simply find many of the hard to listen to over long periods of time, while I find some older releases, perhaps less interesting structure and idea wise, but just easier on the ears to listen and thus more enjoyable in the low run. Anyways, I do find some people are better than others and do tend to enjoy most of the Digital Structures/Sonkite mastered stuff.
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