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Unkind
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 23:09
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Well, i think that any artist, who do the electronic music must know the basic mastering... Even the sound engeneer is very qualified and if in your mix bass starts fail in the midle of the mix, he cant rise it... becouse you do not compress em... or somethink else... Off corse main part of mastering must do that guy with a great equipment witch coast a looooots of money...
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art
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 12:38
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Hello isratrance,
this is my first post to this forum also and i wanted to say i am very new to trance scene and trance music. i am mostly listening to old stuff like astral projection jaia and cosmosis, x-dream and stuff. anyway, i wanted to say i liked your mastering tips alex, i am very interested in making this type of trance. i know what you mean by the new style of trance, it is mainly bass, kick and fx, not much melody, which is what the older stuff was more like, i like the melody, it is the real trance for me. ANyway, i really like the look of forum and the approach of people here. I hope i can learn much about trance and music.
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Yuli
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 13:33
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Behringer Truth monitor, as most of behringer products is a poor shot made to imitate the Genelec series monitors. As with many products from Behringer it looks much better then it works ( check out their mixing consoles, the eurodesks... another poor try to imitate Mackie mixing boards )
After I was thrashing I will do some explaining... IMO!!! this monitor enhances the high mid and trebles, in a way that makes the sound sounds 'tasty' any given time. It has a lot of 'color' in it's sound and definitely can not be described as 'flat sound' monitor. I also wasn't that happy about it's bass response - sounds too metallic and unreal if u ask me. There are few more things, but these are enough for me to say that I think there are far better monitors in the market and no much more expensive, they definitely give better value for their price.
About NS10 - all the beauty in this shitbox, is that until your mix is not perfect, it sounds like a shitbox. When it is perfect it somehow sounds ok. I would never never even try to compare between the two - NS10 is FLAT. That is what great about it and that is what so annoying about it, but it is ( was ) super professional. I wouldn't say the same about the Behringer speakers.
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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 13:35
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On 2004-09-23 23:09, Unkind wrote:
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This is called mixing. Mastering is what you do on the master - on everything together. Working on the bass alone is called mixing.
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Yuli
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 13:43
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About the mastering procedure itself I believe Spindrift was going the way I would. In any case I think it is great for artist to master his own tracks for personal use.. but if it is to be published as a compi or and album it is advisable to give another ear to have a go at the tracks. Even the biggest ears in the world, gave their final works to someone else to make it final product.
Anyway, if u are not satisfied with the final product and know what to do, u can always save the situation u know.. there fore it is always good to practice a little bit on home made mastering...
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Fingax
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 14:33
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There are lots of info here to wach for, defenitly!
My opinion since always is that a perfect mix turns into a perfect mastering, if done by Xperienced mastering person. I try the best i can in every mix. And its really hard to get a perfect mix. Sometimes it could be better some times its hard to get it right. but once again i think the xperience and training your years to good mixed realesed stuff is a good start for every musician. a good mix comes with xperience as well the mastering for an engenier..
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 14:40
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I don't know which labels don't get someone to master a compilation, one person really have to do it to get the tracks to sit together as a whole.
To let each artist master their own track would be exteremly unprofessional.
An album is a different issue, why not if the artist knows what he is doing.
Sure it can be nice to not be to involved personally and sometimes it can be better if someone else do it, but not necessarily.
And I don't think it's neccessary with hardware anymore, i'll even belive it's difficult to find a limiter like the waves in hardware....they do actually make one expensive hardware version of the L2....but I wouldn't like to let my pure digital 24bit master files being converted back and forth to use that instead of a plugin that does the same job.
Hardware is for me analog machines you used to use when mastering 1/4 inch tapes.
Good speakers that you know well, and some waves plugins is all you need to make good masters. |
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D,Rosengren
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Posted : Sep 25, 2004 00:08
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About NS10 - all the beauty in this shitbox, is that until your mix is not perfect, it sounds like a shitbox. When it is perfect it somehow sounds ok. I would never never even try to compare between the two - NS10 is FLAT. That is what great about it and that is what so annoying about it, but it is (
was ) super professional. I wouldn't say the same about the Behringer speakers.
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Hello yuli! If I understood you right you mean that ns10 has a flat frequency response?
I can assure you all that the ns10s has ha very UNFLAT frequency response... they have no bass response to talk of and boosts higher freq. (1500Hz, 6-7kHz)...
I dont like them at all and the only reason wy is that I havent used them for mixing very often...
You can also mix in regular stereo speakers or why not berhinger that sounds good any way.. If berhinger monitors were used in the same amount and time in proffesional studios as the ns10 has/were they would be as much suited for mixing as ns10, in other words they would be studio standard because people know or can imagine how thier mix will sound on other sytems....
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Hayez
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Posted : Sep 25, 2004 07:48
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On 2004-09-24 14:40, Spindrift wrote:
And I don't think it's neccessary with hardware anymore, i'll even belive it's difficult to find a limiter like the waves in hardware....they do actually make one expensive hardware version of the L2....but I wouldn't like to let my pure digital 24bit master files being converted back and forth to use that instead of a plugin that does the same job.
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Wow, How could I have missed this 'wonderful' thread.
Spindrift, yes you can use the L2 on your pure 24bit master files, it has digital 24bit depth input/output and 48bit depth internal process. I hate to see ppl saying wrong things about Waves.
To all, if you want to know how to master you either need a god gifted ears (which you can't buy anywhere) or learn sound engineering for 2-3 years and then work in a professional studio for a couple more and then maybe you are qualified.
"a new art came into my mind which only you can create, the Art of Noises, the logical consequence of your marvelous innovations." Russolo, 1913 |
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Yuli
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Posted : Sep 25, 2004 20:52
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Rosengren u r a bit wrong on this.
First of all the fact that NS10 was chosen out of all the monitors out there for so many studios stands for itself.
Secondly, NS10 doesnt go under 80hz on purpose and the fact it sounds so shitty is only a trigger for a sound engineer to make them sound good. Monitor shouldn't sound pretty, it is not what it's supposed to do - BUT when it does, it supposed to assure that all systems that play the sound, will sound pretty.
About working with home stereo speakers, it is possible, but I think u r completely missing the point here. Behringer Truth's are sold ( and priced ) as quality studio monitors. If they were sold as stereo speakers, well they would be quite good. But as studio monitors they are really bad IMO.
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orik
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Posted : Sep 25, 2004 21:53
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ive been reading this discution...and it
seems like a few mastering engineers have
steped into this topic...and are protecting
their income...i can understand that...
but i think just like any electronic and
especialy psytrance makers/produsers/artists
should know sound engineering and at least
the basics...so should they know mastering...
off course if you have a studio with passive
eq's and the new genelecs it would give
much better results but nevertheless...we
should know how to master...you can always
hand in a flat track + a masterd track...
peace!
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 25, 2004 22:52
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Hayez:
Not sure I understand what you are saying.
Are you talking about the harware L2?
I didn't mention any facts about the spec on that.
I would guess it has 24bit digital in and out, but I don't know the machine really.
What I was trying to say is that it does the same as the plugin, and if I was using hardware thats the limiter I would be looking at really.
And if I wanted to used it chained with other hardware, I prolly end up using the analog connections.
And in the end I would do my final limiting with the plugin again and ditch the hardware version 
For sure you can get a great result with hardware still , and definatly most the really big mastering engineers use it, but it's definatly not a prerequisite for good mastering anymore. |
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Hayez
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Posted : Sep 27, 2004 06:59
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On 2004-09-25 22:52, Spindrift wrote:
Hayez:
Not sure I understand what you are saying.
Are you talking about the harware L2?
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yes I was talking about the hardware L2. sure it has the same algorithm as the software version, but it does much more then that. the A/D, D/A are better then most of the audio cards you'll find, so even if you use it just for monitoring, it worth the money.
BTW, I think it was the first time someone did a hardware version from a pre software one.
"a new art came into my mind which only you can create, the Art of Noises, the logical consequence of your marvelous innovations." Russolo, 1913 |
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Posted : Feb 20, 2009 07:15
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Don't master with a pair of Behringer Truths.
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