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mastering in Cubase - 48KHz 24 bit
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Obelizk
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Posted : Dec 26, 2009 12:00:45
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I read a tutorial on mastering that said bouncing a song with the highest output levels at 48KHz 24-bit was a good thing to do. I know when I'm actually doing recording for guitar or vocals, it's being recorded in 44.1KHz 32 bit.
Anyways, when I bounce a track in cubase at anything above 44.1KHz and play it back there, the track is slowed down significantly and the audio file created will be significantly changed from what it should sound like.
Don't a lot of people use cubase for mastering? Am I missing some codec or something that will allow Cubase to play above 44.1 KHz without messing up the audio file?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 26, 2009 13:01
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Digital audio devices such as Cubase can generally only use one sample-rate at a time. If your project is at 44.1KHz, any 48KHz samples you import into your project will be played back at 44.1, ie. they will sound slower.
IMO, unless you have really good tools for converting, you should produce at the same sample-rate the final product will use; CD = 44.1K, TV/film = 48K. Without the right tools, converting sample-rate loses you more quality than you gain from producing at higher sample-rates
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Dec 26, 2009 13:07
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at first, i think an example would be cool, dont know if i get you right now.
secondly during ALL mastering processes 24bit should be fine, just because there is no need and no better audible result in resolution if you work on 32bit and most time floating point instead of fixed calculation. another story is that best case should be working on what your daw is working on to avoid differences or the need for dithering, wheither for you or the daw. the absolutely point is to avoid dithering for the very last step before getting things on cd. the very last step during the mastering process. so until there, 24bit should be fine, cause 32bit sure encodes a much larger dynamic range than your ears can perceive BUT should be pointless as the source is your ear.....
so, to the sample rate there´s a lot one can do wrong i experienced myself. =D=D same here, higher sample rates should be left (maybe try 88,2khz) cause they´re too for the very end of the mastering process and the ones like 48khz or 96khz for material to be released on DVD with visual material maybe on it (sample rate for audio on a movie DVD i.e.)
im no pro and hope one corrects me here if i´m wrong, just learning myself actually =D=D
anyways you should hear a clearly difference between all these things. higher sample rates get kinda distorted to my ears and cause artefacts in the audio material no one needs =D also dithering can cause artefacts in your audio material. so if cubase now is working maybe on 48bit (internal, dunno if this is the case, (fact on pro tools) just an example) it sure has to dither down the audio to the 32 bit floating point. dunno if this is the case now, just to give you some idea 
so, i dont work with cubase and i not only believe in leaving these things to the mastering engineer, i also can only recommend to use separate software than your daw during the mastering process. and there are heaps of reasons why one should leave this to someone else or minimum to some VERY different and much BETTER equipment. i believe in future of digital mastering in general in electronic music, cause any process your dealing with audioquality (so with converting d/a ->processing chain->convert back a/d .
so any process you make you´re dealing with loss of quality, dynamics and resolution for sure. so there´s no need for that expensive analog gear, converters,eqs, compressors etc.
BUT only one monitor (!!!) for mastering and worth to work with cost more than the whole equipment most of us are proud to own =D not mentioning the amps (sure passives!!) and the acoustical treatment....
no discussion about compromises here, there is no....
to come to an end, i think it should be possible to give cubase the preference to work on a project with other settings like you need. should be no problem, just open new project, tell it to work on 32bit and desired sample rate.
hope i´m right here and understood the stuff i read during past few weeks and no one scrumbles me now for posting my own novel about this here. AND, some more important, that there is no need for higher sample rates and wordlength over 24bit.
btw.: how did you record it  ??
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Obelizk
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Posted : Dec 26, 2009 22:09
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So i should just stick with 24bit 44.1KHz? I have already exported some of the tracks for premaster as 48KHz 24bit; should I mastered those songs in Wavelab or re-export them as 44.1KHz 24bit and then master?
As Mandari said, I have noticed artifacts created when exporting at 48KHz. I don't know if it was specific to the program Stomper Hyperion. Stomper Hyperion is a program that creates basic waves to make drum samples, and when exporting at 48KHz on there, the wavs would have more artifacts than 44.1KHz.
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Dec 27, 2009 12:07
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as you said mate for bouncing audio material keep the samplerate at 44,1khz or maybe give 88,2khz a try if you got the possibility.
for the wordlength as i mentioned 24bit should be fine. anyways 32 bit at these samplerate above should work too, even if i think it´s not necessary.
so, imo you should try to bounce again to these options to keep the audio as close to the original as possible.
while you mentioned tracks and pre-mastering my thoughts went to this site of an great artist offering some useful information about this stuff on his site:
http://www.electrypnose.com/data/tutorials/Intellinoise_mastering%20infos%201.5.pdf
keep some attention on the section "-track format" and feel free to enjoy the site. rightclick save you can down the pdf
hope that kinda helps, cheers:
stephan
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reEto
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Posted : Feb 25, 2010 23:47
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normal you should use 32bit /44.1 for cd production wav32/64 format.
if you prod on movies you should use 32bit/48k also srnd stuff
also use 32/44.1 for creating redBook or stuff like that.
if you use the internal 32bit float, your track doesnt have any overs or clipping. 
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 02:08
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if you recorded at 44.1 use 44.1 for master you won t notice much change, at 48 your d/a could sound better for monitoring but i wouldn t bother with that , and the sample rate convertion could make things sounding worst than mastering at 44.1.
to go to higher samplerate it can depends the plugs you use ,i have some plugs that don t oversample and sound better a 96 khz so it worth it to go from 44.1/96 khz and back to 44.1( also it can be better to bypass any plugins that oversample for mastering and use a hight quality src insteed if you really want no compromise ,think a fx chain that do 44.1/96/44.1 on each plugin , a fx chain at 96 with no upsampled plugins could be better) |
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